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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

As there are no other questions from members, we move straight to consideration of the motion. I invite the cabinet secretary to move motion S6M-06291.

Motion moved,

That the Criminal Justice Committee recommends that the International Organisations (Immunities and Privileges) (Scotland) Amendment Order 2022 [draft] be approved.—[Keith Brown.]

Motion agreed to.

Criminal Justice Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is to take evidence as part of our scrutiny of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill, specifically on the provisions that relate to criminal justice social work and community justice. I refer members to papers 4 and 5.

We have apologies from Claire Wilson, who is, unfortunately, unable to join us. I welcome Lynsey Smith, chair of the justice standing committee, Social Work Scotland, and joining us online we have Anil Gupta, chief officer, communities, Convention of Scottish Local Authorities; and Kate Ramsden, national executive member, Unison Scotland.

We would like to ask the witnesses a number of questions. Given that two members are joining online, I ask members to indicate who they would like to direct their questions to, and I ask the witnesses who are joining us online to indicate accordingly in the chat function if they would like to come in.

We move straight to questions, and I will start with a general opening question. I will come to Lynsey Smith first and then bring in Kate Ramsden and Anil Gupta. What are your general views on the possibility of criminal justice social work being included in the planned national care service? How might that affect criminal justice social work and the services that are currently provided, and how do you see those changing?

Criminal Justice Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Kate, did you want to come in briefly?

Criminal Justice Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Thanks very much, Fulton. We would welcome the opportunity to hear more about what was discussed.

I must bring the evidence session to a close, because we are running over time. I thank all our witnesses for joining us today. We will summarise the views that have been shared this morning and send them in a letter to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, which is the lead committee for the bill.

Our next meeting is on Wednesday 7 December, when we will hear from the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans on the UK Government’s Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill.

As previously agreed, we will now move into private session.

12:25 Meeting continued in private until 13:05.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Welcome to the Criminal Justice Committee’s 29th meeting in 2022. There are no apologies this morning.

Item 1 on our agenda is to decide whether to take item 7 in private. Do we agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I have a final question on capital budgets. I am interested in more commentary from you about the adequacy of those. According to the Scottish Parliament information centre, some of the figures that we have suggest that the resource spending review would mean a cut to capital spending of 3.1 per cent across the portfolio. Are there areas within that overall requirement that you, as cabinet secretary, consider to be ones in which it would be easier to effect cuts than in others?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I will try to stay on the theme of prisons, and I will bring in Pauline McNeill. We can then move on to another area of questioning.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I beg your pardon. Are there any other questions on prisons before we move on?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

Pauline McNeill wants to come in with further questions on prisons, and then I will bring in Jamie Greene.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Audrey Nicoll

I am sure that you understand what the question is, cabinet secretary.