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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

We will have an opportunity for more questions on part 3 later.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Ben Macpherson, did you want to come in here? I will then bring in Katy Clark and Pauline McNeill.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I want to make sure that our time is used to focus specifically on amendments. I completely understand where you come from with your question, but I remind members that the focus is on amendments.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

It is helpful to confirm that point.

I am aware of the time and will finish up with a couple of questions. The first is about part 3 of the bill, which deals with special measures. I know that we touched on those earlier. My second question relates to a separate but interconnected issue that was raised during the stage 1 evidence and on which I would welcome the cabinet secretary’s response, which is the pilot of free court transcripts.

First, I come back to the special measures in civil cases. Will you give us a broad commentary on the thinking behind the proposed amendments to those provisions?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I am pleased to say that we have a new group of officials. We still have Nicola Guild and Heather Reece Wells with us, and we are now joined by Andrew Baird and Carole Robinson—welcome to you.

We will pick up where we left off and move on to parts 5 and 6.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

We still have three more members who want to come in on part 4, so I will bring in Katy Clark and then Pauline McNeill.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much, indeed, cabinet secretary. I want to pick up on your final point, which was in relation to the proposals around jury size and the jury majority requirement. In your helpful and detailed correspondence, you stated that, as you set out in your opening remarks, you will

“seek support for a model with two verdicts, fifteen jurors, and a two thirds majority requirement for conviction.”

Can you give more detail on why you are looking at that particular model and on what has been raised by stakeholders and other interested parties that has led to it being the preferred model?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is most appreciated. We will have a short suspension to allow for a changeover of officials.

11:23 Meeting suspended.  

11:25 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much for your forbearance. For the record, we are now joined by Simon Stockwell, Heather Reece Wells and Sarah Crawford, who are the Government officials accompanying the cabinet secretary. We will go straight to parts 1, 2 and 3 of the bill.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I will take the liberty of asking a final question that perhaps relates to trauma-informed practice. As I said earlier, one of the issues that was raised during stage 1 was about access to court transcripts for complainers. You helpfully wrote to the committee recently to say that the pilot for providing free transcripts for complainers in High Court sexual offences cases is to be extended for a further 12 months, which is welcome. We are aware that some campaigners have suggested that the bill might be an opportunity to make the pilot permanent. What are your views on that suggestion?