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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

It is helpful for people to understand what that role looks like.

We are a couple of minutes over our time, but does anyone want to add anything that we have not covered? We have got off to a really good start.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is consideration of two negative statutory instruments, which relate to pensions for police officers or firefighters. In relation to the instrument on police pensions, I declare an interest as a retired police officer.

I refer members to papers 3 and 4, which set out the purpose of the instruments. I note that the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee made a series of recommendations about the drafting of both instruments, some of which the Scottish Government does not seem to have responded to. Therefore, irrespective of whether the committee agrees that the instruments should come into force, I think that we should write to the Scottish Government to ask why there has been no response. Do members agree to that proposal?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

As members have no other recommendations to make in relation to the instruments, are we content that they come into force?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That brings the public part of the meeting to a close. Next week, we will continue to take evidence as part of our inquiry into the harm caused by substance misuse in Scottish prisons. We now move into private session.

12:13 Meeting continued in private until 12:41.  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I am just jotting down your last point, Kirsten. I did not quite appreciate that options such as Buvidal are available in prison but not in the community, so thank you for raising that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

John Mooney, I do not want you to feel left out with regard to the opening question. Perhaps you can pick up on the point that Stephen Coyle and Suzy Calder made about the fact that what we are seeing with regard to drug harm and drug use in prisons is almost a reflection of what is going on in communities. Are you picking that up in a lot of the work that is being done to track trends and the types of substances that are coming into the system?

10:15  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Under our main agenda item, we will begin to take evidence as part of our new inquiry into the harm that is caused by substance misuse in Scottish prisons. The purpose of the initial session is to tease out some of the main issues that we will want to explore more fully during our inquiry.

I am pleased that we are joined by a panel of witnesses who will help to get us started. I welcome Detective Chief Superintendent Raymond Higgins of Police Scotland; John Mooney, consultant in public health, Public Health Scotland; Kirsten Horsburgh, chief executive officer, Scottish Drugs Forum; and, from the Scottish Prison Service, Stephen Coyle, head of operational delivery, and Suzy Calder, head of health and wellbeing. You are all very welcome.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2, and I thank those witnesses who provided a written submission in advance of today’s evidence session. I intend to allow up to two hours for the session. I will start with an opening question, which I will put first to Stephen Coyle, then to Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins and then to Kirsten Horsburgh.

Will you give the committee a general idea of the prevalence of drugs and drug use in prisons at the moment, including what type of drugs are being used, how they enter prisons, what efforts are made to prevent that and whether that picture has changed in recent years or is changing now? Is it improving or is it getting worse?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you.

Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins, as we know, Police Scotland and the SPS work closely together, in particular on intelligence and information sharing. My question was about the prevalence of drugs and drug use in prisons and the types of substances. What can you add, from your perspective, to the updates from Stephen Coyle and Suzy Calder?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Suzy, would you like to add anything?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That was really helpful.

We are nearly at the end of the evidence session, but I have a question for Stephen Coyle, Suzy Calder and Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins. When there is, sadly, a death that is suspected to be the result of, or related to, a drug overdose, that must have a significant impact on staff, other prisoners and other people who work in the prison environment. I am interested to know about the impact that that can have on the whole prison population.