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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Is that important work included in the budget submission that you have provided? We are looking at issues from a budget perspective and considering the implications of that work in the context of your policing budget.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I apologise that we have gone over our time. Thank you, all, for a really helpful session.

The committee will suspend briefly to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

11:55 Meeting suspended.  

12:00 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 29th meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received apologies from Rona Mackay MSP. Ash Regan MSP is joining us online, and I also welcome Rachael Hamilton MSP to the meeting.

Our first item of business is continued scrutiny of the Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill. We have one panel of witnesses for this item, and I intend to allow up to 75 minutes for our discussion. I refer members to committee papers 1 and 2.

Our witnesses are Dr Emma Forbes, national lead for domestic abuse and head of victims and witnesses policy at the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; Liliana Torres Jiménez, secretary of the criminal law committee at the Law Society of Scotland; and Detective Superintendent Steven Bertram from Police Scotland. I extend a warm welcome to you all, and I thank those of you who were able to provide a written submission.

Just before we start, as ever, I make a plea to everyone to keep their questions and responses as succinct as possible.

I will begin by asking a broad opening question, to set the scene. I will put this to Dr Forbes first and then work my way along the panel. What are your overall views on the bill? Is there anything in it that you particularly agree or disagree with or which you think could be improved?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I am conscious of the time, but a number of members are still waiting to come in. In the interests of having robust questioning, I propose to let the session overrun slightly, but I ask for succinct responses.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is consideration of the motion to approve the affirmative SSI on which we have just taken oral evidence. I invite the cabinet secretary to move motion S6M-19222, which is in her name, and to make any brief additional comments that she wishes to make.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Audrey Nicoll

The result of the division is: For 4, Against 3, Abstentions 0.

Motion agreed to,

That the Criminal Justice Committee recommends that the Early Release of Prisoners (Scotland) Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Are members content to delegate responsibility to me and the clerks to approve a short factual report to the Parliament on the affirmative instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That will be published shortly. We will have another short suspension to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:58 Meeting suspended.  

11:02 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Jo Phoenix, as I think that she wants to respond—I ask you to be brief, Jo.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. My second question touches on orders of lifelong restriction, about which the committee has been in correspondence with you in the past. Indeed, your letter of 2 October indicates that you note that the individuals serving an order of lifelong restriction are excluded from the early release scheme, as you set out earlier. We are aware that, as of April this year, 277 people were serving OLRs, with 224 being past the punishment part but only 14 having been released.

Given recent commentary from the Scottish Human Rights Commission and Lady Poole’s recent judgment highlighting the importance of access to rehabilitation, can you provide a response or some reassurance that all those who are on an OLR continue to present a risk to the public or are assessed as continuing to present a risk to the public and that no individuals are being held back just by virtue of the delays that we are experiencing across the prison estate?

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