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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Audrey Nicoll
The committee understands that, given the volume of feedback and the time that it is taking to work through it.
My second question is on firefighter safety. You stated that you know about the risks that your members face from the lack of decontamination facilities or reduced staff numbers. Do you see a risk of compensation claims from injured members in the future? What financial burden could that place on the service?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Audrey Nicoll
A very good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2026 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have no apologies.
Our first item of business is a decision on taking business in private. Does the committee agree to take item 3 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Audrey Nicoll
That is helpful. We are as disappointed as you are—we have put that on the record—with the overall justice budget, and in particular with the budget settlement for the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. There is no doubt about that.
We have limited time—around 60 minutes—and I am keen for members to come in, so I will hand over to Liam Kerr and then bring in Pauline McNeill.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you. That was helpful.
We will dive right in to questions. My first question, which you will probably be anticipating, is about the funding in the Scottish budget 2026-27. How will that impact on your plans for reform? In your submission, you described the potential need to revisit aspects of the reform process on the back of the budget and the spending review for 2026. How do you make the changes that you need to make to use resources better and evolve the service? I am interested in opening up that topic and hearing your response to the budget and the spending review process.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Audrey Nicoll
We are right on time, but I wonder whether our next panel of witnesses will bear with us for five minutes or so, because I have a couple of final questions, one of which circles back to the reform process.
I am interested in the FBU’s engagement with the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service on potential reforms to the service since you provided evidence to us in December. Do you have any feedback on how those discussions went?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Audrey Nicoll
I will come in on the final point about the capital budget. I am picking up on some of the points that Ivan McKee, who is the minister with responsibility for planning, made a couple of weeks ago during a Finance and Public Administration Committee debate in the chamber on the budget. I know that you will be aware of it but, in response to the committee’s contribution to the budget debate, he said that the Government is:
“working to allow the Scottish Police Authority and the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service to hold reserves and expand their borrowing powers.”—[Official Report, 21 January 2026; c 23.]
Obviously, those rules sit with the UK Treasury. The Scottish Government has been clear that it would welcome reform in order to improve flexibility in that regard. If that came about, what difference would it potentially make? Would you welcome that option? I presume that the answer is yes.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Audrey Nicoll
There are a lot of questions to come from members. I will hand over to Liam Kerr before I bring in Katy Clark.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Audrey Nicoll
I do not want us to stray too far from the budget and reform, but if you feel that it would be helpful to provide any follow-up information on that issue, the committee would be very pleased to receive it.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Audrey Nicoll
Are they short questions?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Audrey Nicoll
Apologies for running over, but I think that it was worth while. Thank you very much to our panel members for coming along today. It has given us a really helpful insight, and we look forward to receiving the follow-up detail from you.
12:13
Meeting continued in private until 12:55.