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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

In the context of the proposals potentially being a little bit more ambitious, is that feasible?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

In part 3, there is a proposal to extend special measures to civil cases, and you have just outlined the implications for IT systems from that. Should the proposals be expanded from what they are at the moment in the bill? Would that have any impact?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. Your submission sets out the impact of reduced resources, particularly due to the increase in your statutory functions. For example, you highlight the expansion of arrest referral services, increases in the number of diversion from prosecution cases and a number of other areas. If that is the case—I am sure that it is—that will be at one end of the system, so what are your concerns about the impact that that will have on the preventative work that we want to be developed? That contemporary effective work is well set out in “The Vision for Justice in Scotland”.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Okay. I will open this up to members and bring in Russell Findlay to kick off.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. A few more members would like to come in and then we will have to call the session to a close. Rona Mackay and then Pauline McNeill.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

That is a helpful overview. One of the things that I think we grapple with is how, in any legislature, there are different sub-sectors within the justice system—courts, police, prisons. If we are looking at improving trauma-informed or trauma-responsive practice, how important is it that that happens across the whole system rather than just in individual organisations?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I want to pick up on that and ask a question. The intention of the bill, as Rona Mackay said, is effectively to make trauma-informed practice a statutory duty. I am interested in your commentary on where legislation has perhaps been used previously as a way of embedding trauma-informed practice. Do you consider that setting out trauma-informed practice as a statutory obligation is important?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

That is really helpful and an interesting overview.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

We move on to our second panel, whose members represent the five justice agencies that, under the bill, will be required to have regard to trauma-informed practice. I welcome Laura Buchan, who is procurator fiscal policy and engagement at the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; Sue Brookes, who is interim director of strategy and stakeholder engagement at the Scottish Prison Service; Chief Superintendent Derek Frew, who is from Police Scotland; John Watt, who is chairperson of the Parole Board for Scotland; and David Fraser, who is executive director of court operations at the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service. A warm welcome to you all. Thank you very much for your written submissions.

I intend to allow 90 minutes for this session. Given the size of the panel, I request that members and panel members keep their questions and responses as focused and succinct as possible. I also request that we keep our discussion focused on the specific provisions in the bill, since that is the purpose of our scrutiny today. I expect that the bulk of our questions will focus on part 2 of the bill. I appreciate that members may also have questions on parts 1 and 3. If so, could they please keep those until the end of the session?

As usual, I will start with a general opening question. We will work our way across, from Mr Fraser on my left, to Ms Buchan. In broad terms, are you supportive of the provisions in the bill that are aimed at encouraging the use of trauma-informed practice, why, and what difference to your current practice will the bill make?

10:30  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

It was very well made. Thank you very much.

I call Pauline McNeill, to be followed by Russell Findlay.