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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I am sure that members will drill into that a bit more.

I have a follow-up question for John Logue, referring again to your detailed submission. One of the pressures that you reflect on in your submission relates to deaths requiring investigation, the number of which remains high. You said that there was

“a 22% increase in 2024-25 compared to pre-pandemic levels”.

That might be another issue that is, to a certain extent, not in the public eye. I am interested in hearing a bit more about the challenges faced by the Crown Office in its broader responsibility for the investigation of deaths.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies.

Our first item of business in public is continuation of our pre-budget scrutiny. We will hear from two panels of witnesses, and I intend to allow up to 60 minutes for each panel. I refer members to papers 2 and 3.

I welcome to the meeting: Malcolm Graham, chief executive of the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service; John Logue, Crown Agent and chief executive of the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; and Yvette Greener, chief operating officer of COPFS. A warm welcome to you all. I thank you for your detailed written submissions.

As time is tight, we will move straight to questions. I will begin with broad opening questions to get us started. I will come first to John Logue and then to Malcolm Graham. Have you found your funding in 2025-26 to be sufficient? What are your organisation’s main asks for 2026-27? If those asks were to be unsuccessful, what would be the consequences?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. That was comprehensive and helpful.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I am aware that we are running over time. I am keen to get Fulton MacGregor in for a final question, if our witnesses are okay to stay a few moments longer.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. I bring in Fulton MacGregor.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I will come in with a final question, and then I will ask the same question that I asked previous witnesses about a written follow-up on climate change. First, you might have heard us discuss with previous witnesses the issues around cyber threat, which is mentioned in your submission. The implications for public sector organisations being targeted are obvious. I am interested in hearing a little more on what the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is doing to mitigate the threat.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Before we conclude, I will extend the same invitation to you that I extended to the previous witnesses with regard to what your organisation is doing to mitigate and reduce carbon emissions as we are looking to meet our climate change targets across Scotland. It will be more of an organisational response rather than an operational one, but we are keen to hear a bit about what the service is doing in that regard.

I thank you all for your attendance today. The session has been really helpful. That now concludes the public part of our meeting.

12:58 Meeting continued in private until 13:12.  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Sharon, I can give you a moment, since Jamie stole your question. Are you happy to come in now?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. My next question shifts us into the mental health space. I know that the SPA has been very invested in that over the past few years. We are aware that Police Scotland and staff organisations have been looking at mental health perhaps more robustly than they have before. In their written submissions, they outline some of the current workforce pressures on police offers, including the levels of assaults, overtime—the chief constable spoke about that earlier—and the time that is due to officers.

What work is being undertaken on officer and staff wellbeing? Another aspect is the operational demands from people who are in distress. How does that impact on budgets? We know that that is one of the biggest policing challenges, if not the biggest police challenge.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

We are coming up to around 15 minutes left. Two committee members are looking to come back in, and one wants to come back in with a follow-up question, so I must ask for succinct questions and responses if possible.