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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Rona Mackay, and then we will move on to questions around policing.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much for that. We will move on to our final topic for questions, which is prisons. I will kick things off before I bring in other members with a question about the prison population, which we heard a little bit about in our previous session this morning. Does the cabinet secretary feel that the current prison population and remand prisoner levels are acceptable and sustainable? Does she have specific plans to address that? If so, when will those be set out for Parliament to consider, and are there any budgetary implications for justice organisations arising from them?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

That brings us to the end of our time for this evidence session. I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for joining us. We will have a short suspension before we move on to our next agenda item.

12:02 Meeting suspended.  

12:07 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Our next four agenda items all relate to our consideration of two affirmative instruments, namely the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Act 2022 (Extension and Expiry of Temporary Justice Measures) Regulations 2023, and the International Organisations (Immunities and Privileges) (Scotland) Amendment (No 2) Order 2023.

We will start with the extension and expiry of temporary justice measures and I refer members to paper 3 and particularly to table 1 on page 12, which contains a helpful summary of what is proposed. I also refer members to paper 4, which contains a letter that we received from the cabinet secretary earlier this week that sets out plans for a consultation on the permanency of certain criminal justice measures from the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Act 2022.

I am pleased to welcome back to the meeting the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs, Angela Constance, and her officials. Susan Black is senior policy officer in the civil law and legal system division of the Scottish Government; Emma Thomson is from the Scottish Government legal directorate; Heather Tully is from the justice reform unit of the Scottish Government; Patrick Down is from the criminal law practice and licensing unit of the Scottish Government; and Nicola Guild is from the Scottish Government legal directorate. I invite the cabinet secretary to speak to the instrument.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much for that helpful statement. I will bring in members who want to ask questions.

12:15  

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Mr O’Donnell.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I have two more members wishing to come in, so I ask for fairly succinct responses to questions.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I am pleased to welcome our second panel of witnesses this morning for our final evidence session on pre-budget scrutiny. I welcome Angela Constance, Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs; Catriona Dalrymple, interim director of justice with the Scottish Government; and Donald McGillivray, director of safer communities with the Scottish Government.

I will allow around 90 minutes for this session, and my intention is to broadly cover the following areas in turn. We will start with the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service and then move to community justice. After that, we will cover policing, courts and prosecution services, prisons and then any other parts of the justice sector that members may wish to ask questions on. We have a lot of ground to cover so, as usual, I ask members to keep questions as succinct as possible. If we do not manage to get through all the questions, we can send the remainder in writing seeking a response.

I will start with a general opening question and will then open up to members for anything similar before I move on to the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. Cabinet secretary, it will be of no surprise that virtually every organisation that we have heard from has painted a stark picture of their finances, with capital budgets being under significant pressure. All have said that their finances are insufficient, and many have said that they have cut as far as they can. What is the possibility for a change that might address that situation? Have you had any discussions so far with the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance on the scope for further investment, particularly on a spend-to-save basis?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

I will go straight to other members for their questions. As nobody is looking to ask a general opening question, we will move to the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Audrey Nicoll

The question is, that motion S6M-10547, in the name of Angela Constance, be agreed. Are we agreed?

Members: No.