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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Sharon, I can give you a moment, since Jamie stole your question. Are you happy to come in now?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 29th meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received apologies from Rona Mackay MSP. Ash Regan MSP is joining us online, and I also welcome Rachael Hamilton MSP to the meeting.

Our first item of business is continued scrutiny of the Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill. We have one panel of witnesses for this item, and I intend to allow up to 75 minutes for our discussion. I refer members to committee papers 1 and 2.

Our witnesses are Dr Emma Forbes, national lead for domestic abuse and head of victims and witnesses policy at the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; Liliana Torres Jiménez, secretary of the criminal law committee at the Law Society of Scotland; and Detective Superintendent Steven Bertram from Police Scotland. I extend a warm welcome to you all, and I thank those of you who were able to provide a written submission.

Just before we start, as ever, I make a plea to everyone to keep their questions and responses as succinct as possible.

I will begin by asking a broad opening question, to set the scene. I will put this to Dr Forbes first and then work my way along the panel. What are your overall views on the bill? Is there anything in it that you particularly agree or disagree with or which you think could be improved?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. My next question shifts us into the mental health space. I know that the SPA has been very invested in that over the past few years. We are aware that Police Scotland and staff organisations have been looking at mental health perhaps more robustly than they have before. In their written submissions, they outline some of the current workforce pressures on police offers, including the levels of assaults, overtime—the chief constable spoke about that earlier—and the time that is due to officers.

What work is being undertaken on officer and staff wellbeing? Another aspect is the operational demands from people who are in distress. How does that impact on budgets? We know that that is one of the biggest policing challenges, if not the biggest police challenge.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

We are coming up to around 15 minutes left. Two committee members are looking to come back in, and one wants to come back in with a follow-up question, so I must ask for succinct questions and responses if possible.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

From the Scottish Police Authority, I welcome to the meeting Fiona McQueen, who is the chair; Alasdair Hay, who is the vice chair; and Chris Brown, who is the chief executive and accountable officer. I warmly welcome you all and thank you for your written submission. I remind members that I intend to allow around 60 minutes for the session. I invite Fiona McQueen to make a short opening statement. We will then move to questions.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Liam Kerr has a quick supplementary question.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is the commencement of our pre-budget scrutiny. Today, we will focus on policing. We have two panels of witnesses and I intend to allow up to 60 minutes for each panel. I refer members to papers 3 and 4.

I welcome to the meeting Chief Constable Jo Farrell, Deputy Chief Constable Alan Speirs and Ms Lynn Brown, the head of finance at Police Scotland. Thank you for sending your written submission. I invite the chief constable to make a short opening statement, and then we will move to questions.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

If not, I will move on, because we are slightly tight for time and others members want to come in. May I interject and move you on to your next question?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

One of the issues that has come up in our budget scrutiny over the past few years has been the benefit of multiyear funding. In your written submission, you say:

“We continue to seek more appropriate funding arrangements”,

including multiyear funding, which would provide

“the ability to carry forward ... reserves and statutory borrowing powers”.

Have you had any conversations or engagement with the Scottish Government regarding multiyear funding? Have you made any progress in that regard?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Fiona McQueen, in relation to that landscape, Katy Clark asked the previous witnesses about embedding community policing as a clear part of the policing response in Scotland. The chief constable took a fair bit of time to outline the complexities and challenges related to shifting crime types, which we all understand. How confident are you that it is possible, in the fiscal climate that we face, to achieve an optimum policing response that provides reassurance in communities and is able to effectively respond to the more complex policing challenges that are emerging and that the chief constable set out?