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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I am sure that we will come back to the issue later. We will move on, if you do not mind.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

John Mooney, do you want to come in on that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that helpful clarification.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

John Mooney, I do not want you to feel left out with regard to the opening question. Perhaps you can pick up on the point that Stephen Coyle and Suzy Calder made about the fact that what we are seeing with regard to drug harm and drug use in prisons is almost a reflection of what is going on in communities. Are you picking that up in a lot of the work that is being done to track trends and the types of substances that are coming into the system?

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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Under our main agenda item, we will begin to take evidence as part of our new inquiry into the harm that is caused by substance misuse in Scottish prisons. The purpose of the initial session is to tease out some of the main issues that we will want to explore more fully during our inquiry.

I am pleased that we are joined by a panel of witnesses who will help to get us started. I welcome Detective Chief Superintendent Raymond Higgins of Police Scotland; John Mooney, consultant in public health, Public Health Scotland; Kirsten Horsburgh, chief executive officer, Scottish Drugs Forum; and, from the Scottish Prison Service, Stephen Coyle, head of operational delivery, and Suzy Calder, head of health and wellbeing. You are all very welcome.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2, and I thank those witnesses who provided a written submission in advance of today’s evidence session. I intend to allow up to two hours for the session. I will start with an opening question, which I will put first to Stephen Coyle, then to Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins and then to Kirsten Horsburgh.

Will you give the committee a general idea of the prevalence of drugs and drug use in prisons at the moment, including what type of drugs are being used, how they enter prisons, what efforts are made to prevent that and whether that picture has changed in recent years or is changing now? Is it improving or is it getting worse?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you.

Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins, as we know, Police Scotland and the SPS work closely together, in particular on intelligence and information sharing. My question was about the prevalence of drugs and drug use in prisons and the types of substances. What can you add, from your perspective, to the updates from Stephen Coyle and Suzy Calder?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Before I bring in Fulton MacGregor, I want to pick up on the question about the impact on staff of caring for people who are living with drug harm. To what extent are overcrowding and the stubbornly high prison population making that situation more complicated or difficult, not just for prison officers but for other staff who work in prisons, particularly those who support people who are impacted by drug harm?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. I have a follow-up, which Kirsten Horsburgh can perhaps come in on. This is a big question: are the MAT standards still relevant? I am not suggesting that they are irrelevant, but are they still relevant, given where things have shifted to and how they are shifting, particularly in the context of drug use or drug harm in prison? Is there anything that you want to add on how effective the MAT standards still are?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

It is helpful for people to understand what that role looks like.

We are a couple of minutes over our time, but does anyone want to add anything that we have not covered? We have got off to a really good start.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is consideration of two negative statutory instruments, which relate to pensions for police officers or firefighters. In relation to the instrument on police pensions, I declare an interest as a retired police officer.

I refer members to papers 3 and 4, which set out the purpose of the instruments. I note that the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee made a series of recommendations about the drafting of both instruments, some of which the Scottish Government does not seem to have responded to. Therefore, irrespective of whether the committee agrees that the instruments should come into force, I think that we should write to the Scottish Government to ask why there has been no response. Do members agree to that proposal?

Members indicated agreement.