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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 27th meeting in 2024 of the Criminal Justice Committee. I hope that everybody had an enjoyable break over summer. We have received no apologies this morning.

First, do members agree to take item 3 of today’s business in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Our focus today is on the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service, the current challenges that it faces and the work that is being done as part of the consultation on the future of the service in Scotland. This scrutiny session is a precursor to future work that we will undertake as part of our pre-budget scrutiny later in the year.

I am conscious that today’s session focusing on the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is taking place on the same day as the publication of the inquiry report into the tragic fire at Grenfell tower. I am sure that the whole committee will join me in remembering all those who lost their lives in the fire, as well as their families. I pay tribute to the bravery of all the firefighters and other emergency service workers who attended the scene, as well as to all those who have supported the local community since 2017.

I intend to allow about 75 minutes for this session. Our first panel consists of representatives of trade unions. I am very pleased to give a warm welcome to Colin Brown, executive council member for Scotland of the Fire Brigades Union, and, from the Fire and Rescue Services Association, David Crawford, Scottish official, and Tim Kirk, Inverness and north regional representative. Thank you for your written submissions.

As usual, I will start with a general question to set the scene. What do you see as the main challenges that currently face the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service? What are the main things that need to be done to address those challenges?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Rona Mackay has a very quick supplementary question on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much indeed. The session has been insightful and informative, and it has given us a lot to think about. Thank you again for your time this morning. We will have a short suspension to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

11:17 Meeting suspended.  

11:24 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Our second panel consists of senior representatives of the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. I am very pleased to welcome back Ross Haggart, chief officer; Stuart Stevens, deputy chief officer; and Sarah O’Donnell, director of finance and contractual services.

I intend to allow around 75 minutes for this session. As ever, I will start with a general question to open up the discussion. I will bring in Ross Haggart to begin with, and then Stuart Stevens and Sarah O’Donnell. What do you see as the main challenges that are facing the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service and what actions and reforms are you planning to undertake to address them?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. Without further ado, I will bring in Sarah O’Donnell and then Stuart Stevens.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you—that was very helpful.

I will now open up the discussion by bringing in Katy Clark.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. I will now open up the meeting to questions from members.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. If no more members want to come in, I will finish off with a question about partnerships and collaboration, which we have touched on during this session. I know that the SFRS has been working for many years in collaboration with partners, particularly on engagement with vulnerable individuals, home safety and so on. I am very interested in the proposals around expanding that into working with the national health service and the Scottish Ambulance Service. I am interested to hear a bit more about what that might look like down the line, and also about partnerships where you would prefer there to be some clear water, such as with Police Scotland.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. Stuart, you touched on advances in technology. I suppose that good information technology networks sit at the heart of any public body that is functioning well. Will you provide a bit more detail on that aspect of the review work?