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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 December 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jenni Minto

If I may, I will refer to my constituency. I met community responders at the Islay show. They have a local community set-up that is led by a couple of retired GPs, who have pulled in other people who are interested, including those in the retained fire service, coastguards and people involved in the lifeboat service. Those people are very community oriented and, as a result, they are community responders. We talked about the cost of ensuring that responders have the right equipment to allow them to respond quickly, so I am very aware of that issue from my constituency.

Part of our work with Save a Life for Scotland relates to—I think that Steven Short talked about this, too—understanding how to have the right co-ordination across Scotland, so that communities understand what they need to be able to do and how to learn. I know of a retired nurse who has supported her community by ensuring that knowledge and training are maintained so that the community can respond to someone having an out-of-hospital cardiac arrest.

It is very much about engaging with communities and with all the Save a Life for Scotland stakeholders, including the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities. I know that Davy Russell asked about how local community areas and planning groups could support the work. That collaboration, which Steven Short talked about, is very important.

I know that you had dialogue with Steven Short about training young people and those of us who are slightly more advanced. I remember getting CPR training in the brownies and in the guides—and, more recently, at a walking football event in Glasgow. He commented that, as long as you know the basics, being prompted by the call handler as to what you should be doing will give you confidence.

All the stakeholders need to be involved, including the Scottish Ambulance Service and the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. As I said, in my community, on Islay, other people have been pulled in. Through our connection with Save a Life for Scotland, the Scottish Government is very much looking at the proposals that it has sent us.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jenni Minto

Most definitely. As Davy Russell highlighted, a pilot is happening in NHS Forth Valley—we have not had any outcomes from it yet—and I note that NHS Ayrshire and Arran is also considering it.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jenni Minto

That is a very fair question. As NHS Forth Valley is taking forward the pilot, I have no information on when it will be complete or when we will get the report. However, your questions are all on the record. Martin Macdonald is here with me today and we will converse with the health board to understand what it is doing, where it is in the pilot and when we can expect the report.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jenni Minto

Absolutely—it is a great idea.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jenni Minto

I appreciate the questions and it is important for us to get the right healthcare results for Scotland. Robust questions are fine, Mr Ewing, and if I cannot answer them, I am happy to respond in writing.

I will take away what you have just said about reviewing the evidence from Italy. I believe that the work in Denmark was also highlighted to the committee. I am content to have a look at that and respond to the committee with our thoughts. If you will allow me, I will gather some clinical views on that, too.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jenni Minto

Extrasensory perception, and all that.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jenni Minto

At the start of this evidence session, we talked about the importance of community engagement and ensuring that the community has guardians—that is how Steven Short and others described it. That ensures that, in the community, there is continual refreshment of skills. As I said earlier, when someone is on the phone to the call handler, they will get prompts to tell them what to do.

I would suggest that, if you fancy refreshing those skills, there are a lot of events happening around Scotland. I highlighted the walking football event that I was at. St John Ambulance was there, giving support alongside the Stroke Association—I think, although it might have been Chest Heart & Stroke Scotland. At a lot of events, and certainly a lot of the agricultural shows in Argyll and Bute that I go around, there is an opportunity for people to get refresher training. There are also good online resources on the Save a Life for Scotland website.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jenni Minto

I was very disappointed to read the statistics that came out recently on the stroke bundles. I agree that improvement has to be made.

Just last week, I chaired a round table of all the stroke leads from the health boards across Scotland, at which we talked specifically about door-to-needle time as a major concern. We have considered how health board staff are configured and we have helped boards to introduce nurses who will specifically support people who could be presenting with stroke symptoms. I think that I am right in saying that NHS Lanarkshire has made really good improvements there. At the meeting last week, it was great to hear about what NHS Lanarkshire has been able to do. The other health boards heard about that and they can consider the changes that they could make. The Scottish Government has provided some funding to allow additional training for nurses across the health boards.

As you will know, the Scottish Government provides funding to health boards directly. The total health budget is about £21 billion. Of that, about £15 billion goes directly to health boards, and it is for them to make their decisions on how to allocate that among the various conditions that they have to support.

Having met the Bundy family and representatives of the Stroke Association and Chest Heart & Stroke Scotland, I felt very strongly that it was important for each health board to have a stroke lead and for me to meet them regularly. We also have a stroke specialist in the Scottish Government, who is part of the chief medical officer’s team. He engages regularly with the stroke leads to ensure that we can improve, because that is what we have to do. You are absolutely right that we have to improve the statistics.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jenni Minto

I would just like to say thank you. I appreciate the evidence that you gathered in your previous evidence session.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jenni Minto

As you know, the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care and I have written to the UK NCS, which is an independent body, and we understand that, over the next three years, it will be reviewing evidence. The evidence must be robust and peer reviewed, so we are pleased that that is part of the screening committee’s work programme.

We are already considering what we can do once the UK NCS makes a decision. It was clear, when Kym Kestell answered a question on screening, that it is not just about screening; we need to ensure that we have the pathways in the various health boards to ensure that they can support people who are screened and might have a condition. We do that work regularly with health boards.

With regard to data, I touched on the Public Health Scotland Scottish cardiac audit, which was released yesterday. There is an iterative process to ensure that we are collecting the right data, and the scope has been extended, as this is the first year in which the audit has contained additional information on congenital, if I can use that word—