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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 December 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

The first conversation would have to be with the health boards that provide the services in order to understand any changes that they might be proposing or what new buildings they might be intending to build; the initial consultation would be of the boards. We would then consult bodies similar to those that we have spoken to with regard to the bill, to ensure that everything is captured as we intend.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

That is a fair comment. In the work, we looked at whether the limit should be bespoke for each hospital or should be consistent. It was felt, on balance, that consistency is the best way forward, because that will mean that there is clarity for women who are accessing services, for Police Scotland and for people who want to protest or demonstrate. That is another reason for going with a consistent 200m zone.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

Clearly, if we are talking about a new building, there would be a timeline for that, which would allow for consultation. However, I hear what you say about what would happen if we planned to quickly extend or reduce a zone. Therefore, I am very happy to come back to the committee on that. We also need to recognise that it is important to ensure, when changing a zone, that people who are holding vigils, as well as those who are seeking services, are made aware quickly.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

That would be my view. However, I will write to the committee to confirm that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

I think that I was clear in my opening statement that anti-abortion demonstrations will still be able to occur in Scotland. We have been very clear about that. The only places for which we are legislating that they cannot happen—if the bill is passed—are within protected safe zones around establishments in Scotland that provide abortion services, of which there are currently 30.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

That is a really important question. Rather than ask Johanna Irvine to reply at this point, I think that we will write to the committee with a response to it.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

The 200m abortion safe zone was constructed after a lot of evidence was gathered around each of the facilities. The zones protect all access into the facilities, including bus stops that the women might use.

If there are other demonstrations within that area, which is what we have been talking about, it could be deemed to be clear that they are not about women who are accessing abortion services, because the legislation has designated that safe zone.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

Are you asking about the individual seeking abortion?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

No, because that is something that they are doing themselves. They are not trying to impede, alarm or distress anyone else, which is what the bill captures.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

I recognise that that point was raised in the course of the evidence sessions. The bill is very narrow, however, and deals specifically with abortion services and the safe access zone for abortion. From my perspective, and in all the work that we have done, we have been clear that there is no mission creep in the bill: it is specifically for those who protest about abortion services.

During one evidence session, a question was raised about whether there could be picketing or leafleting of staff members. We highlighted the picketing provisions in the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992, and we have said that they are not overridden by the bill. The work around picketing, such as allowing it to take place and informing people that there could be a picket, would all be okay.

The Eljamel demonstration outside Parliament was indeed shocking. I was not at it myself, but I heard about it. I cannot talk for the women who are accessing abortion services, but it has been clear from the evidence that women have given that the protests or vigils that they find most upsetting are those that specifically relate to abortion.

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