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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Good morning, and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2022 of the COVID-19 Recovery Committee. We have received apologies from Murdo Fraser.

This morning we will continue our inquiry into the impact of the pandemic on the Scottish labour market. Joining us online are Marek Zemanik, senior policy advisor, Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development; and Bee Boileau, research economist, and Jonathan Cribb, associate director, Institute for Fiscal Studies. Joining us in person are David Fairs, executive director of regulatory policy, analysis and advice, the Pensions Regulator; and Dr Liz Cameron CBE, director and chief executive, Scottish Chambers of Commerce. Welcome.

Thank you for giving us your time this morning and for your recent written submissions. We estimate that this session will run up to 10.20. Each member will have around 11 minutes to speak to the witnesses and to ask their questions. Members, you should please catch my eye if you have a question before your slot.

If witnesses attending remotely would like to respond to an issue that is being discussed, they should please type R in the chat box and we will bring them in. I am keen to ensure that everyone gets an opportunity to speak. I apologise in advance that, if time runs on too much, I might have to interrupt members or witnesses in the interest of brevity.

I ask that the witnesses introduce themselves, starting with David Fairs.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

I call Bee Boileau. Can you hear me, Bee? Would you like to introduce yourself?

I think that there might be a technical issue, so I will move on to Marek Zemanik.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Is that Chris Brodie wanting to come in?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

The profile of the topic has been raised during the past 18 to 24 months, and we have to do a bit more work on it.

One of the things that we have touched on this morning and during the course of the inquiry is the financial implications that the cost of living crisis will have for people who are not earning money and are retired. Has Skills Development Scotland seen an increase in requests for skills training for older demographics to reflect changing ways of working, such as flexibility and hybrid-model working, following the pandemic?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

During the inquiry, we have learned that there has always been an element of inactivity in the workforce—people who were just not going to work. Is there any opportunity to connect with people who might be a bit older and have never worked but who, now that there is some flexibility, might want to train through modern apprenticeships through Skills Development Scotland?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Yes.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

That is really interesting.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

We will now continue to take evidence on the inquiry and I am pleased to welcome our second panel to the meeting. We have received apologies this morning from John Burn-Murdoch, the chief data reporter at the Financial Times. Joining us remotely are Tom Waters, senior research economist, and Tom Wernham, research economist, from the Institute for Fiscal Studies. Philip Whyte, director of the Institute for Public Policy Research Scotland, joins us in person. Thank you for giving us your time this morning.

We estimate that this session will run until around 11.30 am. Each member should have approximately 15 minutes to speak to the panel and to ask their questions. If those witnesses who are attending remotely this morning would like to respond to an issue that is being discussed, please put R in the chat box and we will try to bring you in. I am keen to ensure that everyone has an opportunity to speak and I apologise in advance, therefore, if time runs on too much and I need to interrupt members or witnesses in the interests of brevity.

I will put the first question to Philip Whyte. What are the main health conditions that account for long-term illness as the reason for economic inactivity in Scotland?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

I will move on to the next question. What can the statistics tell us about the impact of differing policy approaches in Scotland and the rest of the UK pre-pandemic, during the pandemic and post-pandemic?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Murdo Fraser wants to come in on that point, and then I will come back to John Mason.