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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Siobhian Brown

My last question—it is for you again, Professor Leitch—is to do with symptoms of the virus and the conflicting information that is currently in the public domain. On 22 October, the British Heart Foundation updated the Covid information on its website. It says:

“The main Covid-19 symptoms if you are fully vaccinated”

are

“a headache ... a runny nose ... sneezing ... a sore throat”

or

“a loss or change to ... smell.”

However, the symptoms that the website lists

“if you are not fully vaccinated”

still include

“headache ... runny nose ... sore throat ... fever”

and

“a persistent cough”.

There seems to be a bit of a conflict between the guidance from the UK Government and the Scottish Government and the information that other bodies are putting out.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Siobhian Brown

Thank you, minister.

We now move to questions, and I will ask the first of them. The committee is currently trialling an online platform to allow members of the public to put forward questions that the committee can ask in evidence-taking sessions, and one such question is about global collaborative working. Why are all countries not following the same travel rules? The questioner feels that, if there had been a global approach, the spread of the virus could have been better controlled.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Siobhian Brown

We are running a bit short of time, but Professor Leitch will be back next week, so we can ask him more general questions then.

Item 4 on the agenda is consideration of the motions on the affirmative instruments that we considered under the previous agenda item. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee have yet to consider the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel and Operator Liability) (Scotland) Amendment (No 5) Regulations 2021 (SSI 2021/359), so we will take the relevant motion at our meeting on 18 November.

I see that the minister does not wish to make any further comment on the instruments. If members are content for the motions to be moved en bloc, I invite the cabinet secretary to move the motions.

Motions moved,

That the COVID-19 Recovery Committee recommends that the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel and Operator Liability) (Scotland) Regulations 2021 (SSI 2021/322) be approved.

That the COVID-19 Recovery Committee recommends that the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel and Operator Liability) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2021 (SSI 2021/328) be approved.

That the COVID-19 Recovery Committee recommends that the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel and Operator Liability) (Scotland) Amendment (No 2) Regulations 2021 (SSI 2021/343) be approved.

That the COVID-19 Recovery Committee recommends that the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel and Operator Liability) (Scotland) Amendment (No 3) Regulations 2021 (SSI 2021/350) be approved.

That the COVID-19 Recovery Committee recommends that the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel and Operator Liability) (Scotland) Amendment (No 4) Regulations 2021 (SSI 2021/357) be approved.—[Graeme Dey]

Motions agreed to.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Siobhian Brown

Good morning, and welcome to the eighth meeting in 2021 of the COVID-19 Recovery Committee. I apologise for the slightly late start this morning.

The second agenda item is a decision on whether to take item 5, which will be consideration of evidence, in private. Do members agree to take item 5 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Siobhian Brown

That is appreciated, thank you.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Siobhian Brown

The committee will publish a report to Parliament setting out our decision on the statutory instruments that have been considered at this meeting.

That concludes our consideration of this agenda item and our time with the minister. I thank the minister and his supporting officials for their attendance this morning. The committee’s next meeting will be on 4 November, when we will take evidence from the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery.

That concludes the public part of our meeting this morning. We now move into private session.

11:24 Meeting continued in private until 11:37.  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Siobhian Brown

Agenda item 3 is evidence on the latest ministerial statement on Covid-19, and on subordinate legislation. I welcome to the meeting our witnesses from the Scottish Government. Graeme Dey is the Minister for Transport, Professor Jason Leitch is the national clinical director, Penelope Cooper is the director of Covid co-ordination and Graham Fisher is a deputy director in the Scottish Government legal directorate. Thank you for your attendance this morning.

Minister, would you like to make any remarks before we move to questions?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Siobhian Brown

People can now download the digital vaccination passports that show when their vaccinations took place. As we know, some people are unable to travel, such as teenagers who have not have their vaccination and those whose PCR—polymerase chain reaction—test may still come up positive even though they had Covid weeks ago.

Is the possibility of adapting the current digital app being explored? For example, if somebody gets Covid, that information can go into the app. If they have had two vaccinations, and they got Covid on 1 October—the national health service would know that if the person had been pinged—the app would have that information and, moving forward, it would also contain their history of booster vaccinations.

I am sorry if that is a bit technical, but I am concerned that some people are currently unable to travel because they had Covid previously and their test is still coming up positive even though they are no longer positive.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Programme and Pandemic Preparedness

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Siobhian Brown

My last question is on the spread of vaccine misinformation, especially on social media, which ranges from claims that the Red Cross has banned blood donations from vaccinated people to the claim that deaths from vaccines have overtaken Covid deaths. What is the Scottish Government doing to counter such misinformation?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Programme and Pandemic Preparedness

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Siobhian Brown

Our next item of business is the taking of evidence on the vaccination programme and on pandemic preparedness. I welcome Humza Yousaf, Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, who is supported remotely by his officials from the Scottish Government: Derek Grieve, head of the operational vaccines division; Professor Nicola Steedman, deputy chief medical officer; Karen Duffy, deputy director, Covid vaccination delivery; and Jonathan Cameron, interim director of the digital health and care directorate. Thank you for your attendance.

Cabinet Secretary, would you like to make any remarks before we move to questions?