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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statements and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 November 2021

Siobhian Brown

Have you had the chance to consider the evidence that we heard last week about the role of ventilation in high-risk medical settings such as dentistry? We heard about the significant backlog of 4 million appointments that were lost due to the pandemic, and it is clear that ventilation has a big role to play in recovering those lost appointments. The British Dental Association told us that dentists need to use fallow time between patients to make their settings safe. The fallow time needed between appointments can be as short as 10 minutes with good high-speed suction equipment, but it can sometimes be as long as 50 minutes, for which there is not time available. The BDA estimated that the current funding to improve the ventilation works out at around £1,500 per surgery but, in its experience, upgrading ventilation can sometimes cost between £15,000 and £20,000. Will the Scottish Government give further consideration to that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Baseline Health Protection Measures

Meeting date: 18 November 2021

Siobhian Brown

Thank you. I thank all the witnesses for their evidence and for giving us their time. If witnesses would like to raise any further evidence with the committee, they can do so in writing. The clerks will be happy to liaise with you about how to do that.

10:16 Meeting suspended.  

10:25 On resuming—  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statements and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 November 2021

Siobhian Brown

I am sorry, but we do not have time. We might come back to you.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statements and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 November 2021

Siobhian Brown

I am sorry, but we have to move on.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Baseline Health Protection Measures

Meeting date: 18 November 2021

Siobhian Brown

Thank you. I ask Leon Thompson from UKHospitality the same questions.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Baseline Health Protection Measures

Meeting date: 18 November 2021

Siobhian Brown

Good morning and welcome to the 11th meeting of the COVID-19 Recovery Committee in 2021. This morning we will continue our inquiry into baseline health protection measures, with a specific focus on how the measures are working in the hospitality, business and leisure sectors.

I welcome to the meeting Gavin Stevenson, from the Scottish Licensed Trade Association; Leon Thompson, executive director, Scotland, UKHospitality; Barry McCulloch, head of policy, Federation of Small Businesses Scotland; Kirsty Cumming, chief executive of Community Leisure UK; and Professor Irene Petersen, professor of epidemiology and health informatics at University College London. Thank you for giving us your time this morning.

This is the third of four planned evidence sessions on baseline health protection measures. The measures are the main tools that we are using to respond to Covid-19 and include ventilation, face coverings, social distancing and vaccination.

Each member will have approximately 12 minutes to speak to the panel and ask their questions. We are tight for time this morning and have a number of witnesses, so I ask you to please keep your responses as brief as possible. Do not feel that you have to answer every question. I apologise in advance: if time runs on too much, I may have to interrupt members or witnesses in the interests of brevity. I will begin by asking the first question.

As we move into winter and try to keep as many businesses open as possible, the committee has been looking at baseline health protection measures such as ventilation, on which the committee heard from experts on 4 November. I remember, Mr Stevenson, that when you appeared before the committee on 16 September 2021 you told us that, in general, large nightclubs already have good-quality ventilation systems in place. The Scottish Government has announced £25 million for businesses to improve ventilation and install CO2 monitors to reduce transmission.

How well ventilated are premises in the leisure and hospitality sectors? How many businesses currently have CO2 monitors? Are businesses considering their use?

I will go to Gavin Stevenson first.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Baseline Health Protection Measures

Meeting date: 18 November 2021

Siobhian Brown

Thank you. I move on to Murdo Fraser.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statements and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 November 2021

Siobhian Brown

Thank you very much, Deputy First Minister. I will turn to questions, of which I have two. The first one is very brief. I know that all members have been inundated with emails about a campaign, so I would like to have clarity from the Scottish Government. Is the Scottish Government planning to implement vaccination passports for children?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statements and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 November 2021

Siobhian Brown

Before we move on to Alex Rowley, I remind members and witnesses that we are a bit short of time. Please stick to about eight minutes for questions and answers. Thank you.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Baseline Health Protection Measures

Meeting date: 18 November 2021

Siobhian Brown

Thank you. I think that we all appreciate how challenging the situation is for the industry at the moment.

We have a little bit of time, so I will ask one more question. Looking at barriers for businesses at the moment, what are your views of the impact on leisure and hospitality, particularly in town and city centres and also in local communities, of the continuing shift to home working?