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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I thank all the witnesses for their evidence and their time. If you want to raise any further evidence with the committee, you can do so in writing. The clerks will be happy to liaise with you on that.

The committee’s next meeting is on 10 March, when we will continue to take evidence on the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill and our inquiry into excess deaths in Scotland since the start of the pandemic.

11:25 Meeting continued in private until 11:33.  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Would Professor Hunter like to come in?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you. I will start the questioning.

With the great benefit of hindsight, we can all acknowledge that no country on the planet was prepared for Covid when it hit. In my opinion, Governments around the world have a moral duty to reflect on the past two years, learn lessons and put in place measures to ensure that we are never again in the position in which we found ourselves in March 2020.

On 21 February, the Prime Minister confirmed that certain temporary provisions for England relating to improvements in the delivery of public services will be made permanent via the Westminster bills.

As we move forward to put in place legislation to keep the public safe in the future, what principles do you believe underpin good-quality and effective legislation for emergency situations? We will start with Professor de Londras.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I thank you all for your answers and for raising valid points. We move to questions from Murdo Fraser.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I ask Anthony Smith to answer the same question.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I think that Professor Hunter would like to come in.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

To whom would you like to direct that question?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I thank the witnesses for their evidence and for giving us their time this morning. If you would like to raise any further evidence with the committee, you can do so in writing, and the clerks will be happy to liaise with you about how to do that.

I briefly suspend the meeting in order to allow a change of witnesses.

10:27 Meeting suspended.  

10:31 On resuming—  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

We continue to take evidence on the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) Scotland Bill. The second evidence session will focus on the bankruptcy measures in part 3 of the bill. I welcome our second panel: Abbey Fleming, the policy and communications lead at Money Advice Scotland; Jamie MacNeil of the money matters advice service and social work resources at South Lanarkshire Council; Emerita Professor Donna W McKenzie Skene of the school of law at the University of Aberdeen; and David Menzies, the director of practice at the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland. I offer a warm welcome to you all and thank you for giving us your time this morning.

Each member will have approximately eight minutes in which to speak to you and ask their questions. If you would like to respond to an issue that is being discussed, please type R in the chat box and I will try to bring you in. I apologise in advance—if time runs on too much, I may have to interrupt members or witnesses, in the interest of brevity.

As all our witnesses are participating remotely, I ask you all to introduce yourselves to the committee.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I think that we still have technical issues with Professor McKenzie Skene. I will bring you in to see whether we have resolved those issues.