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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Good morning and welcome to the eighth meeting in 2022 of the COVID-19 Recovery Committee. This morning, we will continue our inquiry into excess deaths in Scotland since the start of the pandemic.

I welcome Rob Gowans, policy and public affairs manager at the Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland; Lawrence Cowan, director of communications at Chest Heart & Stroke Scotland; Peter Hastie, policy and public affairs manager at Macmillan Cancer Support; Dr Lynda Fenton, consultant in public health medicine at Public Health Scotland; and Dr Francisco Perez-Reche from the institute for complex systems and mathematical biology in the school of natural and computing sciences at the University of Aberdeen. Thank you for giving us your time and for your written submissions.

This is the second of two sessions that we are holding to take evidence from stakeholders as part of our inquiry before we hear from the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care on 17 March.

Each member will have approximately nine to 10 minutes to speak to the panel and ask their questions. If you would like to respond on a particular issue that is being discussed, please type the letter R in the chat box and we will do our best to bring you in. I am keen to ensure that everyone gets an opportunity to speak. I apologise in advance that, if time runs on too much, I may have to interrupt members or witnesses in the interest of brevity.

All our witnesses are appearing remotely. I ask you to briefly introduce yourselves, starting with Rob Gowans.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you, Mr Fairlie.

I thank the witnesses for their evidence and for giving us their time this morning. If you would like to raise any further evidence with the committee, you can do so in writing. The clerks will be happy to liaise with you on how to do that.

I suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:39 Meeting suspended.  

10:43 On resuming—  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Under agenda item 2, the committee will continue to take evidence at stage 1 of the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill. The focus of this evidence session will be on the named person nomination provision contained in part 3 of the bill.

I welcome to the committee Dr Arun Chopra, the medical director of the Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland, and Dr Roger Smyth, chair of the legislative oversight forum of the Royal College of Psychiatrists in Scotland. I thank them for giving us their time and for their written submissions.

I will give members the opportunity to ask the witnesses questions. If one of the witnesses would like to respond to an issue that is being discussed, they should type R in the chat box and we will try to bring them in.

As our witnesses join us remotely, I ask them to introduce themselves.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

What are the potential benefits and risks associated with the proposal to remove the requirement for a nominee as a named person to have their signature witnessed by a prescribed person?

10:45  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you for that helpful historical insight. Perhaps I can bring in Dr Chopra.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you very much for your valuable input. We will probably wait to see the data from this year a bit further down the track.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you. I will start the questioning.

With the great benefit of hindsight, we can all acknowledge that no country on the planet was prepared for Covid when it hit. In my opinion, Governments around the world have a moral duty to reflect on the past two years, learn lessons and put in place measures to ensure that we are never again in the position in which we found ourselves in March 2020.

On 21 February, the Prime Minister confirmed that certain temporary provisions for England relating to improvements in the delivery of public services will be made permanent via the Westminster bills.

As we move forward to put in place legislation to keep the public safe in the future, what principles do you believe underpin good-quality and effective legislation for emergency situations? We will start with Professor de Londras.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I thank you all for your answers and for raising valid points. We move to questions from Murdo Fraser.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I ask Anthony Smith to answer the same question.