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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 September 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

That concludes our consideration of this agenda item. I thank the Deputy First Minister and his officials for their evidence.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Good morning and welcome to the 11th meeting in 2022 of the COVID-19 Recovery Committee. This morning, we will take evidence on the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1.

I welcome to the meeting John Swinney, Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery, and from the Scottish Government: Professor Jason Leitch, national clinical director; Greig Walker, bill team leader; Nicola Guild, solicitor; Laura McGlynn, head of health protection and screening; and Simon Stockwell, head of the family law unit. Thank you all for attending this morning.

Deputy First Minister, would you like to make any remarks before we move to questions?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I am not sure whether anybody would like to come in. If they do, perhaps they could raise their hand, because I cannot see the other screen. [Interruption.] That is okay—it would be great if you could write to me, Deputy First Minister.

Why are the current procedural rules that allow for emergency bills to be progressed through the Parliament thought to be inadequate in such circumstances?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I have a few more questions that I need to ask, Deputy First Minister. Many of the powers in the Public Health etc (Scotland) Act 2008 require an application to be made to the sheriff court in order to be applied. However, the bill does not appear to stipulate a specific process that must be followed when special restrictions and requirements, such as the requirement for a person to submit to medical examination, are applied.

In the absence of a requirement to obtain a sheriff’s order, what will the process be when someone seeks to apply the special restrictions and requirements, and how will the human rights of the individual be adequately safeguarded?

10:30  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

With the removal of masks later this month, a lot of people, especially the clinically vulnerable, are quite anxious, especially as Covid is still prevalent. Guidance was published by the Scottish Government in January regarding the distance aware scheme. How can the Scottish Government raise more awareness of the scheme to protect our most vulnerable people as we remove the requirement for masks?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

That concludes our consideration of this agenda item. I thank the Deputy First Minister for attending despite being ill. We wish him a speedy recovery. I also thank all the supporting officials for attending.

The committee’s next meeting will be on 21 April, when we will consider our stage 1 report on the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill in private.

That concludes the public part of our meeting.

11:06 Meeting continued in private until 11:27.  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

The committee received a submission from Dr Andrew Tickell and Professor Alison Britton, both from Glasgow Caledonian University, who concluded:

“the main provisions of Part 1 of this Bill are generally in keeping with the law already applying in England and Wales”.

However, there was one concern regarding the power to modify or amend the enactment, which I think is known as a Henry VIII power. How do the public health powers in the bill compare with the equivalent powers in England and Wales? Why was it thought necessary to include the Henry VIII provision?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

We have a technical issue.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you for those answers.

I want to bring in the other witnesses with my next question, which is on the connecting Scotland programme, the joint digital strategy between the Scottish Government and the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities that seeks to ensure that nobody is left behind and that people have access to the internet.

Let me give you an example. Several months ago, a constituent got in touch with me about digital exclusion. Unfortunately, she suffered a stroke seven years ago and is now registered blind. She likes to be self-reliant and pays privately for care, but she was becoming increasingly frustrated by being told to do everything online. When she wanted to do some shopping, when she tried to phone the council or when she wanted to book something, she was told to do it online instead, but, when she got in touch with me, she had no access to a computer or the internet. We have since been able to get her a talking laptop.

How do we ensure that people such as my constituent, who might not be on the radar of the council or social services, are not excluded and left behind? What can local authorities and other public bodies do to counter digital exclusion in the move to digital delivery? Are the affected bodies organised in the best way to achieve that, and do they have the necessary capacity and skills?

I know that that is a lot of questions in one. I will bring in Mairi Millar first.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

We have lost you. We have a bit of a technical issue.