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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Because, due to the financial climate that we are in, the Government does not have a pot of money lying around that we can just take from. Significant decisions have to be made when thinking about new spending allocations.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

That was to discussing proposals for potential amendments.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I cannot comment further on the ministerial decision-making process. I am sorry—I cannot give you any further information on that.

I am not sure whether Kirstie McKerron is able to provide further clarity.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

As I said, I cannot comment. It is not that I am not willing to comment. It is part of the ministerial code that I cannot comment further on the decision-making processes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I am saying that I cannot comment further on the ministerial decision-making process.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Sorry, but are you referring to the pilot approach?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

To be clear, the Government does not just have £5 million or £6 million spare to put forward for this. Any funding or money is subject to the budget process. As I said, the Government has been working, alongside the work on the bill, on a potential non-legislative pilot approach. If that was taken forward, the budget for it would have to be negotiated and considered through the budgetary process.

Mr Mason makes relevant points, but they would need to perhaps pre-empt the financial resolution and could be discussed in relation to a pilot approach.

I am sorry, but I am not aware whether a bill could be pulled at this stage. I might need to seek further clarity around that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Sorry. Mr Mason asked—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Again, I do not want to pre-empt a decision; however, I have been very clear about and emphasised my support for the outdoor residential groups. In my opening statement, I alluded to a number of actions that the Government is taking and a number of areas in which the Government is already working to support the residential outdoor sector.

I do not want to pre-empt the decision, but I emphasise my support for the sector and my understanding of the difference that residential trips can make for children and young people, which we discussed at length at the previous committee meeting. I will leave it there for now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I met COSLA representatives, who had some grave concerns around the bill, specifically around the lack of data on affordability, and around supporting children with additional support needs. Probably the biggest concern of all was the workforce implications, which have not been addressed or costed.

In my meeting with the trade unions, I heard a lot of concerns around the workforce. It has been assumed that teachers will continue to do that work on a voluntary basis, but we know that, once something is put into statute, that might not continue to be the case. I have heard that directly from some of those organisations.

I believe that the committee heard that, at times, teachers are advised not to do things on a voluntary basis. That is an issue, especially if the bill becomes a statute. The teacher unions were very keen to engage with Ms Smith on that—not to discuss negotiations or anything like that, but to allay their concerns about the assumptions in the bill and the implications for the workforce.