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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 January 2026
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Healthcare

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Neil Gray

For clarity, I have already set out that there is clear demand for capital investment in the health estate. I recognise that and want to make progress. I recognise that our health service is still impacted by the effects of Covid—particularly on waiting lists—as we continue to work through the cancellations that occurred during the pandemic and work through the current backlogs. Additionally, individuals are now presenting at general practices and consultant clinics with more complex comorbidities than they did pre-Covid.

Part of that is, understandably, because we asked people to pause some elements of their care, and we are catching up with some of that now. During Covid, as we were literally confined to our own homes, we started to discover more about ourselves. As a result of greater awareness being raised, we are now, rightly, presenting to services and asking more questions about our care.

Regarding our response to Covid and the way that the health service has changed, it needs to deal with the backlogs, recognise people’s greater awareness of their own health and keep up with the changing ways that people who have more complex issues present to services.

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The three documents that we published earlier this year are all about those things. The operational improvement plan is about the immediate operational demands that we need to address. The population health framework is about how, on a population basis, we need to be better at planning for our wellbeing and need to move upstream to a more preventative model. I recognise that it is not only a health service issue that needs to be answered. We must recognise the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development’s point that 80 per cent of the drivers of ill health—environmental factors, social factors and the drivers that come from poverty—are outside the health service’s responsibilities, and that is exactly where the Government’s prioritisation is going. We also need to address how, where and when we deliver our services. That comes through in the third document—the service renewal framework—which is more about the structural reform that we spoke about earlier.

Covid has had a profound impact on our health and social care services, which is why we need to make concerted, targeted and determined efforts to work through such challenges.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Healthcare

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Neil Gray

I need to defer that and come back to you in writing. I do not currently have that information, but I will ensure that that is part of the correspondence that comes back.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Healthcare

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Neil Gray

Thank you, convener. First, I want to express my appreciation for the opportunity to be here. As you said, it is my first time both in this room and appearing before the committee. I am very grateful for the work that the committee does in raising areas of concern and interest that the public have brought forward. I appreciate the opportunity to respond to some of those. Given the potential number of petitions that we are discussing and the time that we have available, I will attempt to be as pithy as possible in my responses.

As you have set out, convener, there can be gaps between policy and delivery. Where that is in evidence, it is normally due to capacity or demand-level constraints. There can be variation in delivery between health boards for geographical or demographic reasons, which members will understand. However, that said, I obviously want to narrow the gaps between demand and capacity and ensure that the patient experience is as positive as possible in what are sometimes very difficult circumstances, such as—as you set out, convener—a mental health crisis or other issues that are going on in people’s lives. That is what I am endeavouring to deliver, in concert with the 14 territorial health boards and the national boards, to ensure that we maximise improvements in patient experience.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Healthcare

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Neil Gray

I understand that flexibility on such services is already offered, and it is up to NHS Highland to ensure that they are delivered. I am not sure whether that is an on-going process or whether it will happen before the winter, but I will ensure that Mr Ewing is updated on NHS Highland’s latest position.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Healthcare

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Neil Gray

Our colleague Emma Roddick has brought great attention to Ehlers-Danlos syndrome and to the work of the petitioner to ensure that the matter is brought to the attention of the Parliament and that there is greater public awareness of the effects of some rare conditions and diseases.

As you acknowledge, convener, we have perhaps not had information across our desks about some of these conditions before. In those cases, we have to find a balance with regard to demand—the level of need for treatment—and the ability to deliver the treatment safely. The clinician who is delivering the treatment must be able to do that at a level at which they continue to be safe to practice. That is always a balancing act.

Territorial boards have different levels of demand for treatment for these conditions, so local decision making is important, because the boards need to make decisions with regard to local priorities—for example, if they have higher levels of Ehlers-Danlos syndrome or other conditions that they need to prioritise and invest in treatment for.

I recognise that travelling for treatment can be extremely challenging. I am originally from the Northern Isles—from Orkney—and I recognise that travelling for healthcare can be challenging, but it is also an expected part of living in some communities. We need to ensure that the boundaries between health boards are blurred so that, where a specialist service is being delivered, it can be provided on a national basis, co-ordinated through National Services Scotland. Our rare disease action plan focuses on that, to ensure that we have better co-ordination of where services are delivered for some rarer conditions.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Healthcare

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Neil Gray

Ms Baillie and I talked about those points in the most recent of our one-to-one discussions, which I offer to Opposition health and social care spokespeople regularly. Discussions at that level allow me to share my vision and the Scottish Government’s intention with colleagues and to hear their concerns and examples of where things are not working.

I expect NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde’s use of the Golden Jubilee hospital to increase. New management is in place at NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde, as it is on an interim basis at the Golden Jubilee. As I said in response to the convener and to others, I expect, and we are seeing, greater co-operation between health boards to ensure that capacity is being optimised across their boundaries.

I recognise the point that Ms Baillie made about cancer waiting times in Glasgow compared with those in Lanarkshire. Can there be greater co-operation there, in relation to either how Lanarkshire has been able to meet its targets when other boards are struggling to do so, or whether the level of delivery in one health board area allows it to pick up some of the challenge that other boards face? That is exactly the type of work that is under way.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Healthcare

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Neil Gray

That work is under way now, so I expect that situation to start improving as of now.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Healthcare

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Neil Gray

In my response to Mr Ewing, I set out that there is a service available in Tayside and I will discuss with the petitioner whether that service is sufficient for her. It was certainly helpful for my constituent and his need. On whether more can be done, I am clearly happy to consider that with NSS, as I have already committed to do, in response to Mr Ewing.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Healthcare

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Neil Gray

Douglas McLaren advises that the committee meets quarterly, but I am happy to provide a more detailed answer on its productivity, as you put it. I am happy to furnish that response.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Healthcare

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Neil Gray

I point Ms Baillie to the community link worker network, which seeks to move provision upstream, although I recognise the challenges that there are with that in some parts of the country.

I know that there is a petition from the deep-end practice network that calls for an expansion of the community link worker network. The CLW programme is under national review. Community link workers try to ensure that people, in a trusted place—the GP surgery—can be signposted to other services through which the root cause of the issue that they are presenting with can be addressed. Often, that support relates to housing, income maximisation, education and other elements of public service. It is also about the need to increase the opportunities that are available through social prescribing to address people’s mental health issues, which is in the population health framework.

The community link worker network is there to do that, and it is where we seek to move things upstream. The likes of the family nurse partnership is similarly about ensuring that we are supporting people much earlier in the journey than we are at the moment, where we treat the acute situation.