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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Paul McLennan

You mentioned the banking side of things, which I understand, as someone who comes from a banking background. The key things that the banks look at include the culture, the stability and the governance of an organisation. Can you say more about that? If the banks are to lend to you, they will look at past governance issues and how stable the organisation is now. I do not know what discussions you have had with the banks about the culture at the university.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Paul McLennan

We are talking about financial support, but the cultural support behind the organisation is really important. You say that the work is on-going. Have you or the organisation set a goal, whereby you are saying, “We need to be in the position that we want to be in in six months’ or 12 months’ time”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Professor Seaton, to build on that, governance and culture are key issues that have come out throughout this process. I suppose that there is a disconnect in that regard.

We have heard from various MSPs today, and from evidence that we have taken in the past, about the disconnect between the court, the senate, the unions and the students. In relation to changing the culture, can you say more about how you see those parts of the university working more closely together? Where would you like to see that getting to in 12 months or two years?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Paul McLennan

It is always an on-going process.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I have one final question—I am conscious of the time. It is about workforce planning, which is an important aspect that colleagues have touched on. It is about the strategic fit between the posts and roles, the staff numbers, the courses and the student numbers. You talked about overseas students. We heard from the student association about its involvement in that. Can you say more about embedding that culture in how you look at workforce planning? Obviously, there is the immediate situation, but that will always be a challenge for universities year to year or on a three-to-five year basis. Can you say a little more about that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Paul McLennan

You mentioned the guidance that will be published in November. We are discussing this now, and the issue was raised with the committee by legal representatives who were talking about the bill. I am not saying that it is too late for us, but we are trying to get a rounded picture of the bill. I take the cab sec’s point that it is a very small minority of people who might want to challenge matters, but one or two cases is still one or two too many for the parents who are involved. Therefore, the issue is that, if the guidance is coming out in November—I know that we are not far from November—where does that leave the committee with regard to looking at the bill and how parents will challenge the position? I ask because that issue was raised quite a bit. Can anything be done about that? If we are looking at it in the round, having additional guidance might help.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I have two questions wrapped into one. What is the Scottish Government’s current understanding of how the right to withdraw from RO and RME works in practice in denominational and non-denominational schools? How aware are parents and children that there is a parental right to withdraw their child from RO and RME?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I want to touch on the UNCRC. The previous evidence session on the bill was with legal representatives rather than people from the education side. My question concerns article 12 and article 14, and how part 1 of the bill supports compliance with them. Can you talk about that? We have heard various opinions about that.

My other question concerns the fact that, because part 1 of the bill amends the Education (Scotland) Act 1980, it is not possible to challenge a breach under the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Act 2024. Again, we heard from legal representatives on that, and you said that you have seen that evidence. What are your views on the issue?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Paul McLennan

How does part 1 of the bill support compliance with article 12 and article 14, given that it applies only to pupils who wish to remain in RO and RME following a withdrawal request?

My second question concerned the suggestion that it would not be possible to challenge a breach under part 1 of the bill, because it amends the Education (Scotland) Act 1980. How would it be possible to challenge a breach under the 2024 act?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I have a quick follow-up on the role of the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, because we have heard that different local authorities have different views. What do you see as COSLA’s overarching role in ensuring that there is a uniform approach? I know that local authorities will take slightly different views, but this is about making sure that there is an awareness out there.