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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 November 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Human Rights, Equalities and Access to Services (Rural Areas)

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Paul McLennan

You make a good point, and we will open it to the floor.

One of the key things is that Scotland and UK are the most centralised Governments in Europe. They are far too centralised. Even our local authorities are much bigger than municipal authorities in other parts of Europe. Are there lessons to be learnt about how we deliver services? How do we localise services in the best way possible? That is a key issue for us to look at.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Human Rights, Equalities and Access to Services (Rural Areas)

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Paul McLennan

I am the MSP for East Lothian. I was previously a councillor in East Lothian. I was also the Minister for Housing for a couple of years, until June this year.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Human Rights, Equalities and Access to Services (Rural Areas)

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Paul McLennan

Thank you, convener. I was going to ask some questions on housing, but I think that the witnesses have answered them. It is an issue that we need to discuss carefully.

Luis Yanes made an incredibly important point about having localised solutions. The rural housing action plan looked at the issue, but it is clear that there is no one size that fits all, even in different parts of rural Scotland.

I have a couple of questions. Two key things came through for me when we were in Blairgowrie last week. One was about the cost of living, so I will ask about the cost of living in general, and the second was about looking at solutions as to how we deliver services. Is the council best? Juliana talked about having a multi-agency approach, but who is best to deliver these services? Is it national Government setting the policy framework, is it local government doing what it does, or it best to leave things to local services taking a multi-agency approach? For me, one of the key questions is how we best deliver services.

Capacity building was raised as an issue last week. You will hear that being discussed in all the TSIs. Do we have enough capacity in our communities to deliver the services that need to be there? Who is best to deliver those services, and is there enough flexibility within the system now?

In my experience as a councillor and from speaking to organisations, I have often found that those in the local community are the best people to deliver services, but do they have the capacity and the funding to do that? We need a change in the way in which we deliver services in rural Scotland in terms of building that capacity. What should we do on the back of having heard from you all today? One of the key things is how we support local communities, how we fund them and how we build capacity.

Juliana, I will come to you first, because you talked about the multi-agency approach, but there are two fundamental questions: who is best placed to deliver services, and how can we support that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Paul McLennan

We have heard evidence about different policy frameworks across different services, including schools and care settings. Childcare providers, too, have given evidence about the use of restraint and seclusion. Does the bill present a risk of dual reporting in some settings, such as schools with early learning and childcare classes or residential facilities? We have heard from staff at schools with residential facilities. Is there a reporting issue here? What are your thoughts about that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Paul McLennan

I know that I am slightly moving our discussion beyond the scope of the bill in asking this, but if that area is outwith the bill’s scope, where do you see it falling when it comes to what happens next? We heard evidence from residential schools about that.

Let me clarify that. We are considering the scope of the bill. You have deliberately not widened it to include residential schools, so how do you see that aspect developing? It is something that we should consider.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

As you said, and as the minister said, learning from the best practice is really important.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

That is something for us to consider.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

Do you see a timescale for that? I note our timescales in moving the bill forward after today’s discussion. You have mentioned a consultation and discussion: where do you see the timescales around that? That is not to put you on the spot, but could you give us a rough idea?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

I have a supplementary question. We heard evidence from the chief executive of Aberdeenshire Council about how it embeds what the Promise is trying to do into its services. You are going to have a challenge with IJBs, which include health boards and local authorities. Can you say a little more about what the engagement work will be after the bill is passed? What is next for the IJBs? You have advocated for the importance of IJBs, but what will the concrete next steps be after the bill is passed? How will we embed the bill and the culture that it will promote into the work that the IJBs do? That has to be sustainable, but the quicker we can do it, the better it will be for everyone concerned. Can you say a little more about how you see that developing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

Gavin, do you want to come in?