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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul McLennan
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests: I used to be on the commission on school reform when I was an East Lothian councillor several years ago; I was also an advisory board member with Enlighten, which was Reform Scotland at the time.
We have heard about the aims of reform and talked about the changes that are being proposed. I want to talk a bit more about the process itself, which involved a wide range of stakeholders, including teachers. How will it ensure that outputs, approaches and names in the updated curriculum are well understood and accepted across the whole profession? I think that that will be key. I come to Ollie Bray first.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul McLennan
The curriculum will probably look slightly different in different parts of Scotland, as it must reflect local issues. Ollie Bray mentioned the practitioner point of view. I will come to David Macluskey for the ADES point of view on the same question. Also, how is that process implemented across the various local authorities?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul McLennan
Andy Harvey, I will come to you now, because David Macluskey made the point that this is fed down right through the school, and if there is going to be curriculum reform, there must be buy-in from everybody involved. You touched on the issue of work balance, so how do you see the involvement of your members in the process? If we do not have buy-in at the start, it will be incredibly difficult to implement the change.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul McLennan
Again, I can speak from experience. From 2010 to 2012, I was the leader of East Lothian Council. We talked about a shared service between our council and Midlothian Council. Key were the legalities that were involved in the issue of a single entity, which prevented it from happening before there was a change of administration. A Labour-Tory council came in and did not go for it, but the principle had been established of a shared service, which included a director of education. It would have been a true shared service between two local authorities.
That was at the time of the Christie commission. I am interested in what would stop us from doing it now. David Macluskey, I think that you talked about where we are, and balance of breadth and locality, but what would stop us from doing that now? I will open it up if we have time, convener.
We have lost the principles of the Christie commission. At all levels—national and local government—the Christie commission, which was about shared services, was incredibly important. Mine was a real live experience about the route that we tried to go down to embed the principles of the Christie commission.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul McLennan
I understand your limitations in that regard. Does anyone else want to comment?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul McLennan
Similar to what we heard on the previous panel, we have heard about current practice, the aims of reform and the changes that are being proposed. Donna, you touched on the engagement with young people, teachers, higher and further education and employers so far. Will you say a little more about that? It is important to hear what feedback you are getting at this stage and what you are learning as you go through the process.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul McLennan
That is good to hear.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul McLennan
East Lothian Council was led by the SNP and Midlothian Council was led by Labour. Both local authorities had approved the proposal. It had gone through local governance. Again, I know that there would need to be political ambition from local authorities to do such a thing, but it had the political governance for going ahead.
I am talking from an education point of view, probably, and it comes back to the point that the convener mentioned, but why do we need 32 directors? Alternatively—I have not discussed this with the cabinet secretary—can we look at something like that live example from 2012?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul McLennan
That is really helpful. One of the key things for me is the work with the regional collaboratives. What are the key issues? What are the key opportunities in different parts of Scotland? They will be different in different parts of Scotland. You can adapt what you are trying to do through getting feedback. That is really important, because the situation will be different in Edinburgh, in the Highlands and in Dumfries, for example. How do you deal with the local aspect? How do you avoid taking a one-size-fits-all approach, and how do you provide the flexibility that we are talking about? I suppose that the key thing is to get feedback from learners themselves. Can you say a bit more about the regional aspect and about the learners themselves?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul McLennan
Thank you for that. I do not know whether Louise Hayward or Kirsty Ayed wants to come in on that point.