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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

On your point about age and maturity, every child will be different when it comes to how mature they are for their age, but is there some cut-off point—say, when a child is over 12, over 15 or whatever? I know that that is a bit of a “How long is a piece of string?” question, but do you have any thoughts on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

It is good to hear your comments.

Leah Rivka, is there anything that you want to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

I do not know whether you heard our earlier discussion about age and maturity. As we all know, kids can mature at different ages. You hinted at it when you talked about secondary school. Will you expand on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Good morning. You probably heard the questions that I put to the previous panel. I would like to hear your views on the process that the bill proposes for withdrawal from RO and RME. There are three aspects of that process, the first of which is the requirement for schools to inform a child if their parent asks for them to be withdrawn from RO or RME. Secondly, when a request has been made, the child will be given an opportunity to express their views, and the school must seek to have a discussion with the child and the parent if the child objects to being withdrawn. Thirdly, the school must respect the child’s wishes if their view differs from that of their parent. Previous witnesses raised the issue of the age and maturity of the pupil, which they thought was important, although their views differed.

I am particularly interested in hearing a legal perspective. Who would like to go first?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Thank you for that. Angela O’Hagan was nodding away there. Angela, do you want to add anything else on the UNCRC point and the general question?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Rachel Fox, do you have anything to add on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

That really strengthens the point that was made earlier on; you put across a very good point. I do not know whether anybody wants to add to that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

I welcome the witnesses to the meeting.

I want to ask about some of the specifics. My question is kind of in three parts. The bill requires a school to inform a child if their parent asks for them to be withdrawn from religious observance or RME. When that request has been made, the child is given an opportunity to express their views and the school has to seek a discussion with the child and parent. I would like to hear your thoughts on that and on the fact that a school must respect the child’s wishes, even if their view differs from that of their parent.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Does anyone else want to come in?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

I want to move on to something a bit more specific. It is a three-part question. I do not know whether you heard the questions that I asked the previous panel, but it will be similar to those. It is about the requirement for schools to inform a child if the parent asks for them to be withdrawn from RO or RME. When a request has been made, the child is given an opportunity to express their views. The school must seek a discussion with the child and parent, and the school must respect the child’s wishes if their view differs from that of their parents.