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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 October 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Louise Church, do you have anything to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

That was going to be the follow-up question, as you probably heard from previous evidence sessions. The point has been made that you could have a mature eight-year-old, or an immature 12-year-old. It is therefore about where the line is.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

As an extension of that, at the previous meeting of the committee we asked about the UNCRC. We specifically mentioned article 12 on the right to be heard and article 14 on freedom of thought. We have heard from various witnesses that there are issues to do with compatibility with the UNCRC. What are your thoughts on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I want to ask a bit more about specific proposals in the bill. We have talked about withdrawal from RO and RME. I have three questions about the process. The first is about the requirement for schools to inform a child if a parent asks for them to be withdrawn from either or both RO and RME. Under the proposals, when such a request is made, the child will be given an opportunity to express their views, the school must have a discussion about that and it must respect the child’s views if they differ from those of their parents. We have touched on issues around that, but I am asking more about the specific proposals in the bill. Juliet Harris, I will come to you first for your thoughts on that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Gina and Gavin, you are nodding. Does anyone alse have anything to add? You all seem to be in agreement on that. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

This question is more about the processes that are proposed in the bill. It is the same question that I put to the previous panel, and it is about the requirement for schools to inform a child if their parent asks for them to be withdrawn from RO and RME. When such a request has been made, the child is given an opportunity to express their views, the school must seek to have a discussion with the child, and a school must respect the child’s wishes if their views differ from those of the parent.

Susan, I will come to you first, given your experience as a teacher. What are your thoughts on that, and on the process that has been outlined?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Paul McLennan

The medium-term financial strategy does not go into that level of detail. What are your thoughts? Can you say more about how engagement with the Scottish Funding Council will work in the future?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Paul McLennan

That is a really good point, Tom. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Paul McLennan

On that point, witnesses in the earlier evidence session spoke about the training requirements and whether local authorities look at one centre if they are dealing with kids who might be more susceptible to restraint or seclusion over that period of time. Or should that training or resource be spread out? Has the EIS discussed that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I want to build a little bit on John Mason’s points about the medium-term financial strategy. The strategy says that the Government will focus on

“Supporting sustainable, inclusive, economic policies with the greatest potential to grow Scotland’s economy”.

You have already talked about the importance of that, minister, and I suppose that we have discussed some of the immediate issues, but for me, one of the key questions is how we maximise growth in Scotland’s colleges to match the growth in the economy. Will you say a little bit more about the medium-term financial strategy and how we tie up opportunities for economic growth with opportunities for growth in the colleges themselves? The SFC has told us that that is a particular issue, so what can we do to maximise opportunities in college courses and maximise income for the colleges?