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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 March 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Paul McLennan

I am the SNP MSP for East Lothian.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Paul McLennan

I am the MSP for East Lothian.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Paul McLennan

I have a couple of questions. I looked through the information and wondered about the prevalence of neurodivergences in young offenders. It is really startling that the prevalence rate is 60 to 90 per cent in young offenders. The other thing that was talked about was inequalities. Autistic people are nine times more likely to die by suicide, but the prevalence of communication disorders in the general population is only 5 to 10 per cent. Can we do more in terms of prevention? Are we doing as much as we can in relation to the prevalence figures? For me, that is a really important point. Sixty to 90 per cent is startlingly different from 5 to 10 per cent. Are we doing enough at the start of the process?

Superintendent Gallie, I will come to you at some stage. I met the local command team, and one of the key things that they said is that they almost feel that their role is more social work than policing. Is there something that we can do on the prevalence figures?

Sarah Angus, you talked about people with vulnerabilities and then you moved on to people with communication disorders. Is there more that we can do in that area before it even gets to the stage of people offending? That 60 to 90 per cent figure is absolutely startling.

Superintendent Gallie, I will come to you first on the point about the police, but, more generally, can you comment on that figure? For me, that is the stand-out figure in the evidence.

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Paul McLennan

I will open it up to others, as I was going to ask about reasonable adjustments, which I think that you almost moved on to.

Does anyone else want to come in? I see you nodding your head, Inga.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Paul McLennan

We will all be aware of the paper from the Royal College of Psychiatrists that contains the 10-point plan. One of the key things that it talks about is the national guidance on reasonable adjustments. I was a councillor for 15 years, but I also have experience of dealing with parents in East Lothian at the moment, and I see that there are different aspects of it. The way in which the guidance is interpreted in schools is different from teacher to teacher.

I have been working with the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists, which provided external support with neurodiversity for parents in East Lothian. The council then said, “We don’t need external support,” and removed that support, which has caused significant issues for parents.

It is a multifaceted issue. What are your views on the RCP’s paper and, in particular, what it says about reasonable adjustments? What more can be done about the way in which local authorities are operating, whereby there is not even a uniform policy within schools, never mind across the local authority area?

Every week, I engage with parents on this issue. As I have discussed the issue with Dani Cosgrove, I will come to her first.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Paul McLennan

I can see that Bill Colley is ready to come in.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Paul McLennan

Perhaps Sarah Angus can come in on this, too. The key point is that this is almost what you might call failure demand. If the prevalence rate is 60 to 90 per cent as opposed to 5 to 10 per cent, it means that we are having to deal with the symptoms before we can actually get to the causes. I do not know about the work that goes on where you are, Sarah, but, to me, that seems to be a key focus. Of course, rehabilitation is incredibly important, too.

I will come to you first, Sarah, and then open it up to others.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Paul McLennan

Yes. Even within schools, different approaches are taken. One teacher will have a better understanding than others of what adjustments might be required, so the approach varies from class to class. There is no uniform school policy, never mind a local authority policy, on the issue.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Paul McLennan

That is an important point. I engage with parents and I know that, if the kid leaves school or does not go to school—that is perhaps the case more in secondary—it is then very difficult, if the reasonable adjustments are not made, for the kid to go back into school. Quite often, rather than going to school, they will either be home educated or simply not have schooling at all, which can become a real issue.

We also had a discussion on that, Dorry. I do not know what you find in your area.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Paul McLennan

That is an important point. Although it is about the child, the whole family is impacted. That comes back to Jenny Miller’s point about being as collaborative and as inclusive as possible right at the start; and, as Bill Colley said, it is also about co-production right at the start.

Rob, what is your experience? For me, this is a fundamental approach that we need to consider.