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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I will touch a little more on care experience. Sections 5 and 6 of the bill refer to guidance for public authorities and organisations in relation to care experience. Some responses to the call for views were supportive of the proposals for guidance, but there were concerns that the bill does not include a universal definition, which would instead be left to secondary legislation.

Does anyone have a point to make about that? I will come to you first, Mr Berry. Do you want to come in on the definition of care experience before I open up the question to everyone else?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

That was the view that we heard from the children last night.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Does the bill rely too much on secondary legislation or is it about flexibility? Perhaps it depends very much on the case. What is your view?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Fiona Whitelock, I will come to you on that one, because the other key point the kids made yesterday was about their input into advocacy. In previous evidence, Who Cares? Scotland, spoke about the importance of independent advocacy. One key issue is how we evaluate that advocacy and another is how we ensure that there is input from those who use advocacy services. What are your thoughts on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I do not think that there is an easy answer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Some of the feedback concerned the importance of achieving a balance between flexibility and clarity. That might touch on Jim Savege’s point about each area being different—he mentioned Banchory and Peterhead, in Aberdeenshire. Is it better to have flexibility at the cost of clarity? Is it bad to have more flexibility in the process?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Do you have anything to add, Jim?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I want to touch on advocacy services. When we met care-experienced children last night, which was an enlightening experience, a key issue that came up was advocacy services. We have received feedback that the bill relies too much on secondary legislation, but there has also been recognition that that allows flexibility for future policy development. Does the bill strike the right balance between flexibility and clarity?

What would be required in terms of mapping? That is incredibly important. The point has been made that aftercare is not just about advocacy until someone is 16 or 26; it is needed right through people’s lives. In your experience of mapping, how do you commission and integrate services? You probably heard members of the previous panel say that that is a real challenge and that the approach is different in different parts of the country.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

You have 15 years of experience in local government and as a council leader. What does the situation look like on the ground? Each local authority is slightly different. Aberdeenshire is different from Ayrshire and Glasgow, for example.

The kids we were talking to yesterday were from different parts of Scotland and shared different experiences, but they all mentioned how important advocacy is. In fact, what came across as the most important aspect, not just for aftercare but for housing, was advocacy. I know that you are trying to find the right balance, which is easier said than done, but how do we make that happen on the ground?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Does anyone else want to come in?