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You are absolutely—

Thank you for that—you have certainly set out what you see as some opportunities. My specific question, however, was about risks. Given the significant international competition for the funding that is required, can you give me more of a flavour, or set out more detail, as to what you think are the risks that external investors see in investing in the UK at the scale that is required, and what mitigations you are putting in place?

Good morning, cabinet secretary and officials. I have a slight feeling of “plus ça change ... ” as I address four men on my favourite theme of how we alleviate some of the issues around women’s representation in the economy. I am sure that none of you will be surprised by that.

With regard to narrowing the gender pay gap, which you mentioned earlier, I have seen that being promoted, but there is so much—I repeat, so much—more that we have to do to address the systemic issues in our economy. In a chamber debate last week, I remarked that wellbeing in particular must be seen through a gendered lens; indeed, that is utterly fundamental. If I am being completely honest, I have to say that I feel as though we are, if anything, moving backwards instead of forwards. I say that, bearing in mind the fact that my colleague Ms Hyslop made sure that a women’s business centre was inserted into the Government’s priorities with a spend of around, as I recall, £50 million; that was incorporated into what we looked at in relation to the Ana Stewart review.

My first question is this: can you give me more of a flavour of what specifically you are looking at in the Ana Stewart review? When will you be able to come back with recommendations that you are able to support?

One area of Ana Stewart’s report that I want to emphasise is encapsulated in recommendation 30, on the collection of data. At the moment, we do not have the data sets that would enable us to gather the data that we need, to measure it and to use it to effect change. Moreover, we do not apply any conditionality to public sector funding, whether it relates to women’s representation or equalities matters in general—which I accept is a wide area. Will you give an indication of how open minded you are to at least taking—and I must emphasise this—the first step? We cannot measure and improve our data if we do not even collect it. That is why, in my opinion, we are at a pretty low marker. Are you willing to commit today to considering that as a minimum?

Incidentally, I had an undertaking on that from the former Deputy First Minister. That did not come to pass either, so I really have to push you on this.

I suspect that the minister has got the gist about Acorn. The point was probably well made.

After the 26th United Nations climate change conference of the parties—COP26—there was a great deal of optimism among investors. However, in giving evidence to this inquiry, the Association of British Insurers noted that there was still a shortage of packages that its investors could crowdfund. That speaks to risk, appetite, packages and so on. Are you able to give a bit more flavour on that? There is clearly a huge appetite for it, but we need things that people can invest in. Will you tell us more about your thinking on that, because we are not getting to the scale that we need to, at the moment?

Good morning. The questions are somewhat loosely connected, but I hope that you will be able to pick up Ms Chapman’s question, too.

I want to probe the issue of capital requirements. Globally, hundreds of trillions of dollars of investment are required to meet what we need to do. My colleague Gordon MacDonald touched earlier on the withdrawal of National Grid and Shell from the east coast cluster. That will have been noted by international investors, and a view will have been reached on whether that was about competence or other reasons. However, it will have influenced the appetite for investment. In general terms, what specific risks do you have in your risk register for attracting international investors? What risks do you have that you are therefore seeking to mitigate to get to the scale of investment that we need?

I will finish with one final point. If you ask what is in international companies’ risk registers in terms of investing in the UK, it is going straight after the Acorn carbon capture and storage project, which represents the most commoditisable investment for those companies. I am therefore rather surprised that that is not on your risk register.

I expect that Professor Martin will also have a view on that. Following my question to Professor Flinders about culture and behaviours, I want to ask about the relationship between complexity and risk and, therefore, any limitations on innovation. Based on your experience, how does the appetite for or attitude towards risk, linked to complexity, inadvertently limit innovation in the public sector in general terms?

We are all pleased to hear about the updated FM. I am sure that we all agree on the worthiness of the bill, but this committee’s specific focus will always be on the money and the spend. You have indicated that there is uncertainty about the original estimates. I want to explore how you see the scale of the challenge going forward. We know that multiple areas of various sections are excluded from the original FM—those areas have no estimates at all. In addition to that, there is the group that you mentioned—I am sorry, but I have forgotten its name.

How will you assure yourself, first, that all costs are included, albeit in estimate form, and secondly, that the costs have taken account of what is now a high inflationary cost environment? Critically, I suppose that the question that I am probing is, to what extent will the FM be given the full weight it deserves, alongside the undoubted enthusiasm for what are some very strong policies?

Leading on from that, your submission also alludes to complexity—