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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Michelle Thomson

I will pick up that thread. Let us carry on with the same theme for a minute, and then I will bring in some other areas.

I must admit that I read your submission and have listened to your comments with great interest, Professor Humes. On the basis of what you have said, I think that we have a good sense of the role that culture plays in delivery by national Government and the agencies; you have already put that on the record. How would you go about changing that? I ask that because changing culture is extraordinarily difficult to do and very time consuming, and for that very reason, agencies—at whatever level—often get rather tired of it and move on to something else. How would you go about changing the scenario that you have depicted in your comments?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Michelle Thomson

Marina, I will bring you in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Michelle Thomson

Following on from that, the view of the international council of education advisers is that Scotland should aim for an “egalitarian culture” in education. What does an “egalitarian culture” mean to you? Do you agree?

Perhaps Marina Shapira might like to answer that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Michelle Thomson

Would anyone else on the panel like to come in, specifically on the question about how we should go about changing that? Janet, you are looking at me.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Michelle Thomson

For the avoidance of doubt, in giving 10, you are saying that the costs that are set out in the FM will be the final costs to the Scottish Government and to taxpayers of implementing the bill’s provisions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Michelle Thomson

You are describing a benefit, not a cost.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. Two weeks ago, I asked the witnesses what number, on a scale of zero to 10, where zero is no confidence and 10 is complete confidence, they would give for their confidence in the FM. I ask the same question to you, minister: what number between zero and 10 would you give for your confidence in the FM?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Michelle Thomson

I have a couple of brief questions off the back of what has been asked.

Going back to the issue of police pensions, minister, you said correctly that this was demand led and that there had been more volatility. That has piqued my interest. To what extent is that an overhang from Covid, when we saw more people choosing to retire as they realised that there was a life out there to be lived? In other words, have you any sense of the extent to which that will continue, or was it a one-off? You might not know the answer to that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Michelle Thomson

I am asking the question, because if it looks like something that will continue—and you are right that there is more flexibility in the way in which people take their pensions—it would be useful to know that. Indeed, it applies not just to the police scheme—I am thinking across the board.

I have a second wee question. I know that you have already agreed to write to us with what reserves are actually in place, but it would also be useful for me to understand the rules around agencies that are able to gather reserves or not, as you have pointed out, and whether there is any policy thinking in that respect. I think that most of us on the committee are pretty comfortable with agencies being required to use existing reserves where we have this fiscal tightness, but I am interested in, for example, the situation with the Scottish National Investment Bank. When it eventually moves into profit, I think that we will want it to be able to keep its reserves, because that is how we will get to scale. It would be useful to put a bit of meat on the bones of that.

My third wee point is to thank you for your contribution today. I recognise the extra effort that has gone into this, and as a member of the finance committee, I find that heartening. It does not happen often, so thank you very much for that. I also wonder whether you can speak internally to your colleagues about this. The kind of rigour and discipline that we are seeing in this session contrasts with what we saw in our previous session, when we examined a financial memorandum. It made us run over time, and the committee felt that there had not been a sufficient level of rigour, as what we were dealing with were estimates. I do appreciate that, but it would be nice if we could square that circle a bit with the actuals represented in this document. I know that things can only be accurate when we have the actuals, but we are increasingly finding ourselves in quite a fluid position with FMs that are coming to the committee with estimates.