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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

The committee has raised the issue that we are committed to a number of benefits in Scotland that are demand led, and that the draw on those benefits is increasing, against the backdrop of a fixed budget. That is why we are using the terminology around fiscal sustainability. The bill would be exactly the same, because the right would be enshrined in law and, the next thing we know, we would potentially have the Scottish Fiscal Commission saying, “Well, as a result of the bill’s success and more people coming forward, we have a very steep curve that, alongside the one for social security benefits, greatly affects our fiscal sustainability.”

I think that the convener, in his opening questions, said that we cannot predict the timescales for when the £4 of savings for every £1 will kick in. Therefore, we could be setting ourselves on course for massive cuts in other areas, because we cannot break the law and we have a fixed budget. That is the point that I want to bring out.

I have one other question. Having looked at the 95 points in the financial memorandum, which I have to say are very good, I was quite surprised by the relatively narrow bandwidth between the low and high year 1 costs. I would have expected that to be considerably higher. What was the thinking behind that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

But my question was: are you aware of any other country that has enshrined this in legislation instead of taking a principled approach? I am not aware of any, but you are obviously across the issue. Has any other country enshrined this in legislation in the manner in which you are proposing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

That is the rub. In the figures that we have pulled out today, we have known unknowns—my colleague Ross Greer brought out some of those—but we also have unknown unknowns, about which none of us has a clue. Plus, there is your point that, if the bill were to be passed and become a success, the figures could be quite startling because of the increased provision that would be required.

This committee, including the Conservative members, is very vexed about fiscal sustainability. How do you think the unknown unknowns and known unknowns would factor into the fiscal sustainability of Scotland’s public finances if the bill were to be passed? What reflection have you given to that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Okay—I get your point.

Have you done any research—you may well have done, and I have missed it—on other countries that have taken a legislative approach rather than a principled human rights approach, for example? Has any other country done this?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

If the bill does not go through as you intend, what is your plan B?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I am not asking for an accurate figure on a scale of zero to 10. My question specifically was: how confident are you that the figure of £198 million is accurate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

The question was actually about fiscal sustainability.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

What do you think the reason for that is?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

You have given a lot of information so far. In reading through the financial memorandum, I was struck by the number of detailed points that outline the basis on and the provisions by which the estimates were arrived at. That suggested to me that a lot of careful thought had been given to the matter. It also suggested to me, given that there are 95 clarifying points, that confidence in the figure of £198 million must be relatively low, with good reason and with every justification.

This is a question that I often ask at this committee: how confident are you and your supporting official in that figure, on a scale of zero to 10, where zero is no confidence and 10 is 100 per cent confidence? With 95 clarifying points, I think that the only thing of which we can be certain is that £198 million is not accurate.