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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 February 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

That is very compelling. I do not know whether anybody else on the panel wants to come in, but, if not, I will leave it there, convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

Professor Turner, I know that you want to come in.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

You both make a compelling point about the need to take a multiyear view, which does not happen at all. The reason that I am raising this is that the Scottish and UK Governments are talking about revisiting the fiscal framework. The Finance and Public Administration Committee, of which I am also a member, has made some compelling suggestions about the need for multiyear funding.

I want to give other panel members the opportunity to give further reflections. Richard Woolley, do you have a view on the points that I have made about capital? I cannot see anybody else on the panel just now because I am online.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

I can see that Professor Turner wants to come in, but before I bring her in, can I just gently challenge you? I totally agree. Clearly a prioritisation process needs to take place. That is how you make progress on any substantive project, and you do not get more substantive than this. However, the point that I am making is that under the fiscal framework, the fiscal transfers to the Scottish Government are so limited. As things stand, the estimated figures to allow the crowding in of private capital have not been baked in. That is just not being considered as part of the fiscal framework, and that seems to be a fundamental impediment to the prioritisation process that you are setting out. Surely that must be a concern.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

In preparation for this meeting I thought, “Oh, I’ll have a wee look at the online offering,” and I was staggered to see that there was no January sale. Is it just me?

I get a general sense from talking to you, and from the fact that you are not able to provide the information, that the shop is still not being looked at as a business. I totally appreciate that it is not a business and that you are working under certain constraints, but I wonder about that kind of thinking, because I would expect any or all of you to be across the numbers at any given time.

I come back to a comment that Daniel Johnson made a few years ago—you may recall it, Jackson—when he talked about looking at this issue from his retail background. I get the sense that we are not even at the starting gates here. Am I wrong or being unfair?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

I absolutely agree with your last point, but my point is not about footfall. If you were to focus on an online proposition and were marketing directly to, say, our diaspora in North America and had a proper marketing position, you could absolutely increase turnover.

Anyway, I digress. I want to go back to the office-holders. At some point, this will be a concern for everybody, but when we were considering our report on the commissioners, it became apparent that there was almost an accountability gap between what you are required to do, which is to scrutinise budget propositions, and the Parliament’s overall responsibility with regard to increasing costs.

Earlier, you mentioned that there has been an increase in responsibilities for some office-holders. That happens over here, and then, over there, you look at the implications of that as part of an increased budget request. Do you agree that there is an accountability gap there? It might well be occurring in other areas, too. As we as a committee put together our legacy report, will the SPCB, too, highlight areas where the overall scrutiny and effectiveness of spend should, from your perspective, be revisited?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

That is heartening to hear. I will not be here, but it would be interesting to see how the agreement with the Conveners Group is, ultimately, reflected in the cost of office-holders. I hope that there will be people watching that with interest.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

I have a couple of questions. First, I, too, thank you for the increased detail in the submission. That has been very helpful, and it would be good to see that continue.

On the topic of the shop, you mentioned a review. What exactly is contained in that review? I would also like to understand your strategic intentions for the shop. We recognise that it is loss making. It is, arguably, a hygiene factor. We have also talked about subcontracting services. However, I am just not clear what your intentions are for the shop. Will you tell me more about the review and what the strategy is?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

In your submission, you say that a review of the shop is under way. What is being reviewed? What are the terms of reference for that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

Actually, I would argue the reverse. If you applied an entrepreneurial mindset to the shop and took on some creative ideas, you could bring more people into the Parliament, because of increased brand awareness. I do not want to go off on one here, but that is sort of what I mean when I say that I have no sense of strategy.