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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

How will compliance be measured?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Do you think that that is slightly optimistic, given that most people will have personal devices as well? If what you are describing is advisory, there is nothing to stop them using their personal devices to carry on transacting Government business.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

You alluded to the span of control, in effect. Do you know the rough ratio of that? Is it one to one?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

You are in charge. Is this your advice? Who is giving that advice?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

So, your action at the moment is talking about it. Why, then, has the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body unanimously agreed to act with haste to take account of the law? How was it able to do that, and to what extent is that linked to the fact that it bears personal liability if it does not do so?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

What actions have you taken, beyond talking about taking action? I am not clear about that, because I have not seen any. The wording from every minister and cabinet secretary is to the effect that, “We’re not doing anything beyond talking”—that is from the short-life working group—and, “We’re waiting for the guidance.” Baroness Falkner is quite clear that you do not need to wait for that. Set out what specific actions you have already taken, beyond talking.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Many people use WhatsApp with the function set to auto-delete, so how would you ever know that they were using it? The process is that people should undertake to follow the policy, and you have said that, if they do not, it is a disciplinary matter, but how will you know whether they are deleting as they go?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. Following up on public sector reform, what percentage of the 9,000-plus staff that you have are either managers or team leaders?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

That is quite out of sync with what best industry standards are. I appreciate that you are new in post, but, going back to an earlier discussion that you had with the convener, I will always press for specific plans to be put in place along with the associated measures—otherwise, how will we know that they are successful? You can be sure that I look forward to bringing that up again when you next appear in front of us.

Let us move on to mobile messaging apps, which you referenced in your opening statement. How will you ensure that WhatsApp, Signal or other apps are not used for Government business by staff or by ministers themselves on their personal devices?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

My firm advice to you would be to look afresh at that. Frankly, it is no justification, under law, for you to say, “Ah, well, that is what everybody else was doing.” The Supreme Court judgment was compellingly clear. There is the threat of two further potential legal actions and my firm advice to you, permanent secretary, would be to get on it, because, from a public sector point of view, you are, ultimately, the accountable officer who is responsible for ensuring that the Scottish Government upholds the law. Regardless of your view on the matter, I personally think that it is a very poor look that, 10 weeks after the judgment, we have not done anything about it.