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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

Where is that set, then? Is that set in articles of association?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

This is the moment you have all been waiting for.

We have danced around the issue of international students—the implications for fees and the fee structure, risks to universities and so on. I will come to you first, Dr Conlon, for your honest assessment of where we are in terms of our reliance on international students, the implications of that reliance and the risks therein should there be some major international shift—fully accepting the comments that Mary Senior made earlier about the drop caused by the Home Secretary’s recent announcement.

That is the starting point. I have some follow-on questions as well.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

Sorry for jumping about a bit. David Belsey, I want to come to you first, to flesh out something. Let me know if I have misunderstood, but earlier, you said that colleges should not consider economic impact, but then you qualified that by saying it should not be the primary consideration in the strategy. Given that qualification, could you highlight where there should be consideration of the economic benefit from colleges?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

Okay. Mark MacPherson, I do not know whether you have anything to add. I have a wee supplementary to follow as well.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

Within that framing, what consideration is given to social considerations, in terms of course provision? David Belsey, what are your thoughts about how we can prioritise that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

Mark, do you have any final comments?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. I want to talk about infrastructure. We have had a few considerations around that and Audit Scotland referred to it in a recent report. The Scottish Funding Council recently updated its own plans. We had hoped that the Scottish Government would be able to provide an updated infrastructure investment plan, but that has been delayed by the UK civil service because of the UK general election, so the picture is slightly different. We also know that the cuts to capital expenditure over the next five years are forecast to be 20 per cent in real terms. Mark MacPherson, I know that your report referenced the increase in capital expenditure by the Scottish Government that we have evidence of in recent years, such as year-end 2022-23 and year-end 2023-24.

Given that picture, I would like to hear your reflections on where we are with the real need to deliver a sustainable college estate. I will come to you first, Mark MacPherson.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. I think that we will come on to that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

You alluded to that earlier, and I know that we have danced around the issue.

This is my last question. I appreciate that Mary Senior and Ellie Gomersall might want to come in on my previous question as well. Our discussions today have been nearside with regard to what is happening in the UK and the differences in Scotland, but the issue of how to fund higher education is not unique to here. Many other countries have wrestled with issues such as how to incentivise international students and retain domestic students while maintaining fairness, parity and so on. To what extent is this discussion being forced over the longer term by the UK Government’s decision to introduce a fees system that is different from the Scottish Government’s system? As Ellie Gomersall pointed out, we have arrived at a certain position in Scotland.

I know that we might not want to start from where we currently are. Nonetheless, if we were looking internationally at other funding models, which ones might we consider? The UK—or, rather, England, with its tuition fees—is anomalous relative to what other countries do. In a multitude of other countries, for example, international students can study free of charge.

I am interested in hearing from Dr Conlon, in particular, because of your background. If we were not starting from here, what might we be able to do? I am quite concerned that we are looking just at the recent history and development.

I have asked Dr Conlon to comment, but I appreciate that the others will want to come in. I will bring you in, too.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

I appreciate that this has already been quite a wide-ranging discussion, but I want to offer Ellie Gomersall and Mary Senior the chance to come in, too. Ellie Gomersall, you might have some reflections on the international aspect, due to your role.

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