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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, and thank you very much for joining us. I want to ask a couple of open, framing questions.

As you know, the committee is looking at wider skills policy, which is different from the work that is being undertaken by the Education, Children and Young People Committee. I want to get a sense from you of how businesses engage with Scotland’s skills system and the extent to which you feel that the views of industry or your sector are fairly represented and heard in order to shape policy and the provisioning of skills.

I will go first to the first person who looks up—Jack Norquoy, well done—but I would like to hear from all the witnesses.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

I will put the same question to the rest of the panel. I think that Sandy Begbie was the next one who looked up.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

You have mentioned providers such as colleges, but do you feel that there is a clear way for your trade body to be able to influence and shape policies such as the new deal for business? Are you clear about how you can take part in the shaping of those policies?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you very much.

Jack Norquoy, I said that I would give you a chance to come back in, because we moved on to talking about AI. Obviously, net zero is your bag, but do you want to add any final reflections?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

To pick up on that, for the record, can you give us an example today—it is always useful to furnish an example—that we can reflect in our deliberations?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

You have skilfully taken the opportunity to put on the record some of the areas that Scottish Renewables is interested in, and quite rightly so, but I still want to understand the extent to which you feel that the views of industry are heard with regard to the shaping of policy and provision.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

As is the nature of these things, many of the questions that I was going to ask have been covered, so I will just pick up on a couple of points.

Let us go back to the question about how effective current political engagement is. I know that there has been a discussion about that already, but I would like to gently challenge you on why you chose to refer to the Scottish Human Rights Commission’s contribution instead of giving your own view as the Auditor General. Does that mean that you do not have a view, or is it that you just could not think of anything?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

A lot of this has been covered, but—I do not want to put words in your mouth—you view the national performance framework as the most accessible way in which ordinary members of the public can grasp the thematics of this and what that means for them. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

I suspect that that is a better explanation than mine.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

I have a couple of little compliments for you, which I want you to enjoy, because it does not happen very often. I was pleased to note that you say that the annual budget gap

“can be thought of as the Scottish-specific fiscal sustainability challenge.”

That terminology is considerably more helpful. You will know that I have passed comment previously on some of the terminology used because it frames Scotland as part of the wider context, including some of the issues relating to the UK economy and fiscal sustainability.

My other observation is that the development of age-sex spending profiles will be really helpful for us in getting greater clarity. That is the nice bit over.

I want to pick up on fiscal sustainability generally in the light of the earlier conversation with the Auditor General, which you will have heard. I think that we all agree that we want more resolute forward planning via the MTFS. However, regarding the debt to gross domestic product ratio, the projection that debt will be 274 per cent of GDP by 2070 is utterly astounding and re-emphasises my point that the Scottish economy and the fiscal framework must be mindful of the position.

How on earth do you and the Government start to fairly reflect the significant implications of that position, which is clearly not sustainable? We will see the UK spending review, but if we are on a whole different trajectory—assuming all things are equal, with the same focus on economic policy, although that could change—I would appreciate your reflections on how on earth you will present that position with meaning to this committee at least, if not to the wider public.