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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

My first question follows the discussion about preventative spend. The tendency of any organisation or Government is always to want to spend money; that is a flat state. Michael Kellet, from your perspective, what consideration has been given to creating a culture in which personal responsibility can be actively considered as a part of prevention while recognising the very real challenges with some health issues?

I have another, general question for everybody. In today’s discussion, we have had what feels like quite a shift, whereby we are more prepared now to think the unthinkable. We had a discussion earlier about universality, and Dave Moxham commented on the Scottish business bonus arguably propping up zombie businesses. That brings me to a challenge for David Livey. Do we have exactly the same thing here, whereby we are, in effect, propping up zombie volunteer organisations that are not focusing fundamentally on their own financial resilience? It is not necessarily their fault, but, over time, it is easier to go for the low-hanging fruit of project funding. The general question is whether we have entered a stage where people—arguably for the first time and subject to the politics and whatnot—are prepared to think a bit differently across the public sector.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

Should you be appointed, you can look forward to being asked about that by me in future sessions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

That is slightly different from all your other experiences. What was your interest in that and why, given that it is slightly different?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Tourism

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

Does everyone on the panel agree with that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Tourism

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

You have answered the question in relation to process development and iteration, which I alluded to, and that dependency between the two of you, but the other concern that came through from the previous panel was about the percentage versus a flat rate. Do you have anything to add on that? It seems to me from what the previous panel said that significant concerns remain. Are you putting that to one side, given that your job is to focus on the practical implementation? Does anybody else on the panel have anything to add on what still feels like a disconnect, setting aside the operational process things that Elin Williamson has clarified?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Convener

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, and welcome to the 23rd meeting in 2025 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. The first item of business on our agenda is the choice of a convener, following the resignation of Colin Smyth.

In accordance with the Parliament’s standing orders, where the office of convener is vacant, the deputy convener—in this case, myself—chairs the meeting for the purpose of choosing a new convener. The Parliament has agreed that only members of the Scottish Labour Party are eligible to be chosen as a convener of this committee. To that end, I nominate Daniel Johnson, sitting to my right, and seek the agreement of the committee for him to be convener. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Tourism

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. I thank the panel members for joining us. You have given a compelling overview of the challenges that all your businesses are facing. I do not want to labour that point any more, but it is worth briefly reflecting on the macroeconomic picture for the UK. It could be that we are not that far away from a sovereign debt crisis, such is the scale of the challenges. I have a brief question, because I think that you have covered your challenges very well.

What, if anything, is your one biggest fear from the forthcoming UK budget, given the extensively pre-trailed talk of tax rises? In other words, what would be the tipping point to accelerate the situation that you have outlined? I would like a quick, off-the-top-of-your-head response from all of you, please.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Tourism

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

Do you have any final comments, David Hope-Jones?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Tourism

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

This is a quick question—and possibly, if you will forgive me, a slightly cheeky one. We heard a clear articulation from the previous panel, with concerns being expressed, and we are now getting a totally different view. Where is the disconnect occurring and why? I accept what you are saying about timescales and working through the iterative process that you have described, but it still seems to me that there is a disconnect. We are in politics and we understand probably better than anybody that people will adopt positions but, at the same time, we have a duty to make sure that we get to the right place in everybody’s interest.

Who would like to take that cheeky question?

11:15  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Convener

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

In that case, I shall hand over to Daniel Johnson.