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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

As MSPs, we are all given guidance on these matters when we join the Parliament. Where we think that there could be a perception of conflict, we are duty bound to disclose it, even if it is subsequently deemed not to be a conflict. If we are expected to do that, it would seem not unreasonable for highly paid lawyers to do likewise.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

I was just asking a general question. Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

We have had quite a lot of media interest that perhaps suggests that the problem is uniquely Scottish, but you are making it quite clear that it actually appears to be UK-wide.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

Do you have anything to add, Dr Ireton?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

I want to ask a tiny question to help build my knowledge. I have read the criteria that determine who a core participant will be, but do such participants pick their own lawyers or do they have one allocated to them if the inquiry gets extended or something else happens, as when, for example, the Scottish Covid inquiry was linked with the UK one? How does the approach with lawyers work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

Is it the same for you, Laura?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

It is useful to know that the question of querying the costs for lawyers who represent core participants does not apply to you. Obviously, I am in no way inferring anything by asking the question, but the fact that costs, even if they were detailed, were not subsequently queried could suggest a throwaway acceptance of “Yes, that’s fine.” I am trying to get a sense of how actively the costs are monitored, in comparison with an implicit process—as part of the culture of how inquiries operate—of, “Well, an eminent KC submitting this, so of course it’s right. It’s all detailed and that’s good enough for us.” Would it be fair to say that costs from eminent KCs are usually accepted because that is the culture?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

Michael Clancy, in your submission, you said that

“inquiries are not-for-profit bodies.”

Can you explain what you mean by that? I take it that you mean that it is in their nature that they are not for profit, because it is clear that a lot of money flows through them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

I will interrupt you there. I just wanted to check that point about inquiries being not for profit because, clearly, quite a lot of profit is being made.

With the earlier panel—I know that Richard Pugh joined us later during that—we discussed the general theme of inquiries being seen as, in effect, a type of project that have different pathways through them. There could be properly scoped terms of reference, with an indication of a budget—even if that was then subject to change control, as would be normal—and with reporting. Potentially, there could be the equivalent of a project management office.

To what extent is that feasible? Does any of you accord with the view that that route would not be effective only in the case of public inquiries? That approach is not perfect in businesses or in any other public sector piece of work.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

We heard from the earlier panel that there might be a type of toolkit, in which some things would be suitable and some would not, but that, as things stand at the moment, there is no central collection of lessons learned. Those lessons could include a pathway, based on previous inquiries, that would support chairs who, although they are extremely experienced judges, are not experienced in budgetary control or in managing large projects. That could assist chairs in determining a possible pathway, subject to various significant uncertainties and complexities.