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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 17 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

In that case, I will move on to my other area of questioning. I have read the excellent report that Paul Little produced with Audrey Cumberford, and I have a couple of questions about it.

You make a very clear case for focusing on excellence rather than competence and, with regard to WorldSkills, I understand that, as well as being a competition, it develops international standards and therefore enables international benchmarking and increases the competitiveness of the contributing countries. Is that correct? Can you tell us more about the thinking behind the move from competence to excellence that you outline in your report with Audrey Cumberford?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 17 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

Yes. I want us to be very specific about the difference between skills gaps, skills shortages and labour shortages, and to understand where we are now with structural issues as far as labour shortages are concerned. As a result, it would be helpful to get on the record and in evidence what you are actually seeing in your area.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 17 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for that comprehensive answer. Perhaps Richard McClelland can add to what Chris Brodie has said by giving us an industry perspective, particularly with regard to demographics and labour shortages.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 17 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

My question follows on from the theme of the role of women and was triggered by Chris Brodie talking about economically inactive workers in his opening remarks. Here is another question about numbers: what percentage of the economically inactive population is made up of women? To what extent do all panel members routinely disaggregate the data that they collect so that they understand the particular impacts on women in the labour market?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

That is a very good point.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

I do not disagree with what you say. The point that I was trying to make is that there is nothing preventing somebody who has done a music degree—often, they will be producing their own music—from switching tack and doing something different. I know that, because I did it. That was 30 years ago, when it was arguably even less common than it is now.

I see that Mark Logan wants to pop back in before I go on to my final question. Mark, do you want to pick up on this thread?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. Needless to say, I strongly agree with you. I see that Paul Hunter wants to come in.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

As a final word, do you have anything to add to that, Paul?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, everybody. It is nice to join you, albeit remotely. I have a couple of short questions.

The first is for Mark Logan. I am interested in your comments about the pace of change, creativity, entrepreneurs and so on. What can be done to utilise the creatives? I say that as someone who initially did a music degree and who quickly came to understand it, and describe it, as precision engineering, due to the accuracy required to produce certain types of music.

Subsequently, I did a postgraduate qualification in IT. I was told at the time, and then at the company for which I eventually went to work, that I had been recruited because of evidence of creativity. The company wanted that creativity in its IT department. Therefore, it seems to me that, in business and in the Government, at whatever level, there is not necessarily the understanding of how creative the creatives are, and how useful they can be in IT.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

My second and last question is for Paul Hunter and/or Professor Simms. It is a slightly cheeky one. It strikes me that we do not have that many people who understand supply chains. Even so-called supply chain directors might just be logistics specialists or procurement specialists. That is my perception. Does Professor Simms or Paul Hunter have a view on that? Do we fundamentally have too few people who understand what supply chains are, given our background of being in Europe?