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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

That is useful to know.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for the report—I enjoyed it immensely.

I am genuinely pleased that the SFC got such a clean bill of health. During my time here, I have seen the very determined and deliberate attempts that it has made, particularly around increasing communication, so I celebrate it for that.

In some respects, it is almost like the SFC got the rap for our status quo, much of which we have touched on. I note that it is hard to teach somebody something when their job depends on their not understanding it. We see basic examples of that every year, with MSPs who do not understand why there is a need for contingency in a fixed budget. To what extent is your report a function of the fiscal framework in that there is a fixed budget and limited resource borrowing powers, and there is complexity in the fiscal framework? Would you concede a bit of sympathy for the SFC’s being in the firing line and agree that other actors have very clear roles to play?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

You have not quite answered my question. Are you 100 per cent sure that you are operating within the 1992 regulations and that the Scottish Government will not be another public body that will potentially be subject to a costly legal case? It would appear that many bodies remembered about the 2010 act but forgot about the 1992 regulations.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. Picking up on Liz Smith’s question, it is helpful to hear you articulate that you have ultimate accountability for head count in the civil service. It might be an idea if that were cascaded more thoroughly through the estate. I recall having a debate in Parliament not long ago, in which other parties—including Liz’s party—were condemning the Scottish Government for head count. However, given that you have ultimate accountability in reality, that seems unfair. It might be worth cascading that knowledge throughout all the civil service and, indeed, all the political parties.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Dialogue is fantastic, but the committee will look at ultimate accountability. It sounds like that area is worthy of a future look to understand the implications of that for democratically elected ministers and in-post civil servants.

I want to move on. I have a few further questions, so please bear with me if I interrupt you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good. Thank you. What percentage, roughly, of the overall head count of the civil service are women? It will help me with my figures.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Okay. As we know, women have specific considerations, whether it is pregnancy, maternity leave or menopause and so on. In the civil service, what groups are in place to represent women’s voices in particular?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I will come on to that. Can I assume, then, that one of the groups that you have referenced is the women’s development network?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I suspect that we will probably go on to that. A freedom of information response that was released on 31 January 2025 notes that

“the Women’s Development Network aims to create a supportive platform and level-playing field for women (and those who identify as women)”—

that is, self-identification. Is the Scottish civil service allowing self-identification in other areas, despite that not being legal?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I have a couple of quick questions.

Earlier, we mentioned the trans inclusion policy. I want to note that the equality impact assessment on that seemed to be heavily skewed towards LGBTI groups. The EqIA states that four other protected characteristics—disability, age, sex, and religion or belief—are relevant to it, but none of those groups were represented in the process of developing that EqIA. Six out of 10 places in the steering group, other than the lead official, were set aside for staff who represented LGBTI interests. Is that weighting representative of how you normally try to meet the public sector equality duty?