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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Michelle Thomson

That would be helpful, and I know that you will carefully qualify any data that you provide.

Are you aware of any overlap of outcomes that might lend themselves to consideration for streamlining from an audit perspective? Perhaps I should ask when you last audited the 129 bodies’ effectiveness across the board.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Michelle Thomson

Does either Charlotte Barbour or the Auditor General have anything to add?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Michelle Thomson

It will be interesting.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Michelle Thomson

I appreciate that it is difficult.

Susan Murray, you made a comment, with which I agree strongly, about there being

“greater potential for using procurement as a tool to drive change.”

You make a broad suggestion in your submission, but will you give us a wee bit more flavour of your thinking? You simply mention

“standard environmental and social policy criteria”.

Will you give us a few more examples? The suggestion interests me.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Michelle Thomson

Arguably, then, you are suggesting that there should be more transparency and that there needs to be linkage to various outcomes.

I do not know whether the Auditor General wants to come in on that point. It strikes me as an interesting area.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Michelle Thomson

I will try to be brief. I have a couple of questions. In your submission, you mention wider adoption of shared services and correctly note that that will need increased resources and time to take effect. It also needs appetite. Can you help me to understand the standard functions that are normally part of shared services—that is, finance, HR and IT? Are there any genuinely shared services across all 32 local councils?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Michelle Thomson

I get why that is the case. Have there been terms of reference for the review?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Michelle Thomson

I have seen the document that was published in May.

To go back to your point, Kirsty Flanagan, sometimes we see facilities management, for example, being part of a shared services function. I accept what you said about the disparate geography of Argyll and Bute, but you have also pointed out that there is a lack of appetite across councils in respect of replicated functions—for example, finance directors, IT, HR and the specialisms. In any other commercial walk of life—I spent some time in commerce in a previous life—there is no way that there would be duplicated functions across the board. Hence my comment about appetite. On the one hand, councils complain about not having any money; on the other hand, it is clear that that is an area that should be looked at, as there are duplicated functions across 32 councils.

That is the point that I am trying to make, although I accept that there is the time issue and a cost.

I want to ask Kirsty Flanagan one more question. It is a bit of a technical question, so I hope that we can deal with it quite quickly.

You made a point in the submission about capital accounting. I know that that has been rumbling about for some time. Obviously, there are concerns about the planned review, but what was the driver for the concern? That issue has been raised a number of times, and something is now being done about it—it is being looked at. Surely a potential outcome is a positive one. I want to understand where your concerns are coming from and the assumption that the result could end up less favourable for councils.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Michelle Thomson

I will not labour the point, because I am conscious of the time; however, I am just not clear why you think that that will automatically happen. That is what I am querying.