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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 February 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I hear what you are saying but, again, there is a conundrum. Appropriately, you call to a higher power—that the issue involves public funds—and you seek to put your view that it would be appropriate for the inquiry to be brought to a conclusion. However, the Government thereby runs the risk of accusations of meddling in the independence of the chair. I cannot see how that circle can be squared within the current legislation and provisions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

You are being clear but we are not comparing apples with apples. I am not suggesting that there will be another £26.2 million of costs; I am suggesting that it is the right of the chair—and I do not want to labour this point—to make an assessment of the evidence that has been gathered thus far. I am not suggesting that the entire thing would be run again but there is at least the possibility that they might wish to further interrogate certain pockets of it. That, as a minimum, is a possibility. I am pointing out that, in terms of cost control and accountability, the conflict of interest at the heart of the 2005 act is largely unresolvable.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you very much for that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. I will open this out to both of you, given that Steve Aitken has a very established company. I would like to finish off by exploring what you see as the critical factors in terms of skills and the ecosystem that have enabled you to operate as you do and which, critically, could enable Scotland to compete globally in this area. If we think of other industries, we cannot compete in certain areas at scale, but this is an area where we can compete. I ask Steve to answer that first. I have looked at your background, so I know what it is.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. I thank both our witnesses for joining us. I will come to you first, Leo. Originally, our papers showed that Ziyad, who I think is a partner of yours, was to appear for Mamba Sounds, but I think that you are appearing under a different company name today. It would be useful, first of all, to understand what you are doing in the AI space and why, and what has brought you to this point.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

It makes complete sense. This session follows our earlier session with Kayla-Megan Burns, who is a board member specialising in AI for the Royal Scottish National Orchestra. It would be useful to understand the scale of the problem and the implications for the people in the artistic sector of fraudulent activity around their material.

We also heard from Dex Hunter-Torricke in our earlier session, who said that he could see the possibility of one person operating a company that would have turnover of $1 billion with effective utilisation of AI.

It would be useful to understand the scale of the problem, where you see yourself operating and why you think that the new product that you are looking at could fit into that niche.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. I will hand back to the convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

There was so much in that answer. Working on the basis that, almost regardless of what people do, it will already be too late, I get the sense from what you are saying that we should not get in the way of the disrupters who will manage to create sole-employee, billion-dollar companies. However, when it comes to the utilisation of AI in the public sector, trust is a much bigger consideration. In the context of some of the use cases that the public sector deals with, getting it wrong could have catastrophic consequences with regard not only to the data, but to society’s trust in government and all that that entails.

I would appreciate your thoughts on that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

We could unpick so much in that; that is our challenge with such a short, sharp and focused series of sessions.

I would like to get reflections from both of you on another point. About 10 years ago, when I was in Westminster, we talked about AI in a session with a professor from the University of Cambridge. At that point, it seemed unbelievable how many base functions of lawyers and accountants were going to be taken over, although we know that to be true now.

When I asked that professor what skill set was going to inherit the earth, his answer was that the creatives will keep on creating no matter what, and they will harness the power of AI to endlessly create—and that will be the merging point. That has always stuck with me, and I would appreciate hearing your reflections on it. Do you believe that that is true? What does it mean for how we fundamentally shape the provisioning of everything, from a governance perspective?

I will first come back to Dex Hunter-Torricke and finish with Kayla-Megan Burns, and that will be me done, convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. I put the same question to Kayla-Megan Burns.