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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Peter Proud is absolutely right that there is a discussion is to be had about power. I know that one of my colleagues will come in on that, so I will not steal her thunder, but he was absolutely right to bring it out.

I have a couple of questions about the public sector. You are sitting here as experts, and we are all in the public sector. Somebody referenced some of the work that the Scottish Government is doing, but—and this is an open question—in your opinion, to what extent do the Government and the public sector get AI? I ask that because, historically, particularly in the civil service, the culture is slow, deliberative, thoughtful and reflective. That has worked well in many areas, but to what extent could that prevailing culture, which, as I say, has great strengths, potentially be a weakness when we look at the exponential growth of AI? Sarah Ronald, you nodded, so you need to come in on that first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

You also referenced automation.

I will bring in Peter Proud for a generic sense of where he thinks that AI can add economic value.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you so much for joining us. We have jumped right in with the heavy brogues, to use a Scottish phrase. I will just take things back up a level for the record, given that people will be watching this session and poring over the words that you use.

Sarah Ronald mentioned productivity growth, but that is an outcome, we hope, of using AI. I have a question for all the witnesses. What is your sense, in terms of your businesses, of the areas where you think that AI could add economic value? There is a whole range of areas, but automation and supply chains are examples. I would like to get on the record a sense of that from you before we continue. Sarah, could you go first?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I know that my colleagues are keen to ask questions, but before Seth Finegan comes back in, I want to introduce one last thread, which is about data. I was recently in Lithuania, where they have created what they call a data lake, which is an aggregated data set of all their public sector data. Of course, that will be immensely powerful when they start to look at preventative spend. Before I stop, I would like your reflections on that. Where are we with data, and do you have a sense of understanding how important it is? Seth, please come in first and finish off on the previous point.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I have a final question. What is your attitude and risk appetite for generative AI, or rather the black box nature of it? We have been talking about pretty early-doors usage of AI, but we all know that there will be challenges with generative AI and the basis of statistical probability versus genuine cognition. In your businesses, is the attitude you are taking, “We will deal with that when we start to smell it, but we are not at that point yet”, or is it something that you are already actively considering?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I invite final comments from Peter Proud and Sarah Ronald on data.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I am really talking about the risk around data. Perhaps I should have been clearer.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

That is a whole different thread that I will not go into. Thank you very much.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Estonia.