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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

Excellent.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

Thank you very much.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. I want to explore three areas. The first is the equitability of the contribution of women, which is almost becoming a personal mission for me, having spent many years in various business roles and being up against all the barriers that we know about. As is my wont, I had a quick look at the bank’s distribution. I see that 42 per cent of board members, 33 per cent of executives and 28 per cent of investment leads are women. I do not know what the overall staff ratio is; perhaps you could enlighten me on that. What specific plans do you have to make things fair in that regard and to lead by example?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

Does that mean that you are as aware of these stats as I am and that you have internal targets to improve them so that you can see the positive outcomes of your encouragement?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

Sorry to interrupt but, if it is about complexity, what specific complexities are there for a council finance director function that merits having 32 of them? I can see how, according to a framework principle, every council will have different partners and different methods of payment, but the function itself is duplicated, and I do not understand why we need 32 of them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. This has been a very interesting discussion, and I think that you have fairly reflected the complexity of the matter at hand. I agree with the convener that your submission is excellent.

I have a question, however. I still do not understand why we do not have a shared services centre and why we need 32 different finance directorates and human resources departments across councils. I suppose that I would throw in legal services, too.

I can understand the complexities in creating shared functions in digital and estates, Argyll and Bute being a good example, and I could also mention procurement. However, the financial element in particular is fundamentally about accounting for money in, money out. My question to both of you, therefore, is: why have you not been considering creating a shared services centre for that as a simple way of bringing about public sector reform?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

I agree. I read that bit of your submission with interest. I agree with you that, clearly, a lot of work has been done on shared services, but I am specifically asking why the finance function is replicated across 32 councils. In some respects, the work that you have done is arguably more complex than creating a shared services centre. I do not understand why that has not been considered. Even if you think that it is not within your gift to consider that, do you think that it is something that should be mandated by the Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

I have two points on that to finish off.

On HR, you have actually made an argument for a centralised function in that we have 32 different sets of terms and conditions, particularly where many particular role types are broadly similar. There are large global companies with a footprint in a multitude of different countries that have a shared services centre. I therefore struggle to see how on earth we cannot have that across 32 different councils.

Critically, holding the data set in one area also gives us greater insights into making improvements.

I will ask my final question, which I know that Ms Watters may want to come in on as well. If it is not something that you have considered, is it because you have not really thought about it, or should it be mandated? I will hear your last point before I bring in Ms Watters.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Registers of Scotland

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

I suppose, though, that that takes you into delay territory. I am thinking about an example in which there has been a delay because there has been a change of circumstances with a solicitor or a client. Will a client always be able to draw on the necessary data required to meet your criteria to have the case expedited after that length of delay? I am thinking of an example from 2017.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Registers of Scotland

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Michelle Thomson

It is interesting to hear that you exercise judgment in those cases. A couple of the examples that you give do not appear to fit into the three criteria that you set out—I am not having a pop; you are clearly exercising judgment. Is it fair to say that, at this point, the criteria for expedition are still developing as you get more data on and understanding of particular issues?