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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

One person’s tinkering is another person’s agility.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

However, the Scottish Government says to local government—and you can track the numbers—that an aggregate percentage has to be ring fenced for an entire session’s policy priority. If you can do that for local government, why can you not do it for yourself, as fiscal discipline?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

That is my point. I am sorry if we have been at cross purposes. The scenario that you are illustrating for the Scottish Government is the same for local government, yet the Scottish Government will choose to make ring-fenced spending allocations in order to ensure that policy commitments are met and to allow a sufficiently long-term basis for that spending in order to see the outcomes at the other end. My question, or my challenge, to you is, that if you understand that a slightly longer-term picture is needed in that case, and you are saying, “Right. You just need to manage all these other moving parts,” why will you not apply that to the Scottish Government in the areas where we know it would give material benefit on a longer-term basis?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

When is it ever less than expected?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

We have these tinkering discussions between the autumn and spring budget revisions every year because that is a function of having yearly budgets, and I am always struck by the fact that a lot of what we discuss is just for information and we do not get anywhere near looking at the aggregate picture or the real issues. I am thinking about that because of the convener’s opening discussion about reassigning money to the delivery point. My working assumption is that the Scottish Government does that so that it can retain control, because the only way to retain control of a fixed budget is to have reassignment. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I have a gentle challenge. Although there may be a shift in the future, there is still ring-fenced funding for local government so that the Government can ensure that its priorities are met. I may have asked this question last year, but why do you not attribute the same discipline to yourselves in respect of, say, the housing budget—I use that example because of the multi-factor economic benefits, although it may be a bad example because of the issue of capital, which we may get to—by fixing that as n per cent of the overall budget?

The problem with “tinkering”, as I describe it, is that it always involves short-termism. If you do not set aside a certain percentage and say that it will always be spent on something that we know gives economic benefits, you are perpetuating the status quo of tinkering. Notwithstanding that, I fully accept that annual budgets are a function of a fixed budget and the role of the Treasury. However, every year I hear about the constant tinkering of moving budget moneys from pot to pot, which has an insidious impact on long-term strategic planning that is aligned with economic growth.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

That risk is not a surprise to me, and I suspect that it is not a surprise to you, either. I am therefore surprised that we are in this position. An assessment of risk—not just a treatment of what funds come back—must surely have been part and parcel of the decision on which budget pot those contributions went into. Is that a matter of catching up with what is still a relatively immature system of Whitehall fiscal transfers? Is there something more?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Ms Johnson, I do not know whether you have any final comments.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

You probably heard me express concern about timescales to the earlier panel. I do not know the exact date, but it is proposed that the stage 1 debate on the bill be held in the chamber in December. When we come back in the new year, we will have 12 working weeks—not 11 as I said earlier—in which to deal with a multitude of other legislation. After the stage 1 debate, the bill will come back to the committee for stage 2, before returning to the chamber for stage 3.

First, based on your knowledge and experience to date, how realistic is it that the required work can be completed within that timescale?

Secondly, what must be put in place for that to happen? What would be your top ask to get the bill into the condition that we might like it to be in? I fully accept your comments about the levy not being fair, which is what we have heard from contributors across the board.

Anna Gardiner looked at me first, so you can go first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

And institutional memory, as well.