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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Karen Adam

I would like to come in on another question; I have been pondering the budget aspect. I recognise that it is an exceptionally tough time for Governments across the board and that hard decisions have to be made, but there is a perception that people with protected characteristics are often viewed as low-hanging fruit. They are the last in and first out in terms of consideration for equalities. Oftentimes, specific cuts in budgets are looked at in silos in each department.

You might be aware that the committee has focused on human rights budgeting in a few evidence sessions. Could the lens be shifted from a siloed fiscal approach towards a whole-budget approach that looks at public sector equality duties through a human rights lens? Would that be achievable? If so, would it make a difference in delivery of the public sector equality duty?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Karen Adam

Good morning, and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2025 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have no apologies today. Our first agenda item is a decision whether to take in private item 4, which is consideration of a report by the Scottish Human Rights Commission, in private. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you. I bring in Alyia Zaheed.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Karen Adam

That concludes our formal business in public. I thank you all for attending.

12:22 Meeting continued in private until 12:32.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Karen Adam

Martin Ingram, would you like to come in, please?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Karen Adam

We move on to questions from Maggie Chapman.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Karen Adam

We move to questions from Evelyn Tweed.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Karen Adam

We now move on to questions from Tess White.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Karen Adam

We move to questions from Tess White.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Karen Adam

I welcome to the meeting our second panel of witnesses: John Dawson, head of strategy and transformation, Public Health Scotland; Jillian Matthew, senior manager, Audit Scotland; and Nicky Page, head of human resources, Police Scotland. Thank you for joining us; you are all very welcome.

For the benefit of those who were not here at the beginning of the meeting, I remind all members that rule 7.5.1 of the Parliament’s standing orders prevents members from referring to any matter in relation to which legal proceedings are active, except to the extent permitted by the Presiding Officer. I advise members that Sandie Peggie’s employment tribunal case against NHS Fife is active for the purposes of the sub judice rule and contempt of court.

I have sought and received permission from the Presiding Officer on the extent to which we can explore matters related to the case today and throughout the course of our public sector equality duty inquiry. On the basis of that permission, questions on issues connected with the case are admissible, but questions on its specifics are not.

I will kick off our questions. To what extent do you, as listed public authorities, understand the terms and aims of the public sector equality duty in Scotland? I will start with Jillian Matthew.