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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Karen Adam

My apologies, Presiding Officer.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Karen Adam

—for their timekeeping—she said, ironically.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Karen Adam

Will the member take an intervention?

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Karen Adam

I really welcome this debate, and I thank colleagues across the chamber for bringing attention to such an important issue. Additional support for learning and the implementation of mainstreaming are a vital issue that we should keep front and centre. I have had conversations with the Government, the cabinet secretary and the minister, and I believe that it is a conversation that they do not shy away from.

I will speak specifically about neurodivergence. In my time as a councillor and, now, as an MSP, it has been the number 1 issue that constituents have raised with me. Week in, week out, families have contacted me, exhausted and frustrated and often feeling powerless. That is not just because of the day-to-day challenges of parenting neurodivergent children, but because they are constantly having to fight to be understood. It is that understanding that I really want to focus on.

Families need to be listened to and they need to be able to access support systems, which are there but are often gatekept by people who do not understand. I have been open about my lived experience. I could stand here and say that I have a child who waited about eight years for an ADHD diagnosis, but that time was not spent on a waiting list, and that is what we need to be specific about. It was eight years of me asking teachers to see what I saw in my child, but they did not, so that diagnostic pathway was blocked and gatekept several times. When they finally—after I begged them—got him on the diagnostic pathway, it took a matter of months and he was helped and supported. I was told that his was probably one of the strongest-presenting ADHD cases they had seen, so what was the issue? The issue was not that the waiting list was eight years long; the issue was that the people on the ground who could give my child access to that pathway did not understand how neurodivergence could present.

I understand that it is not financially viable to offer one-to-one support to every single neurodivergent child, and I agree that trauma-informed practice is really important, but understanding is needed. Neurodivergent children have a strong sense of justice and fairness, and people can often add negative connotations to that and say that they come across as obstinate, which can be time consuming in some busy classrooms. However, that is where understanding matters, and those qualities can actually be nurtured and become great transferable skills in the real world—she says, standing here with a strong sense of social justice.

I warmly welcome the Scottish Government’s significant investment in ASL provision. I know that it has been listening and that it is working hard to find solutions, but money and policy alone are not enough. Those who are delivering the services on the ground must have an understanding of how neurodivergence presents and what these children need. I have had a child placed on a reduced timetable—I get it. I have been there when the anxiety kicks in when the phone rings, and I have been unable to work in traditional ways for many years because I have had to go to the school to ask my child to climb down from the shed after he has emptied all the gym equipment out. I get it.

However, too often, the relationship between parents and schools can become adversarial. We need to replace that tension with trust and with honest and open communication. We must stop the blame game for everyone and come up with constructive solutions to move forward and see what is best for everyone inside and outside the classroom.

I will have to skip quite a bit of my speech, but I want to give a shout-out to Banff academy, which has an excellent example of a really small action making a big impact. I went to the school and wondered why it was so calm and peaceful—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you. We will move on to questions from Paul O’Kane, please.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Karen Adam

Tess White has indicated that she would like to ask a supplementary question.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Karen Adam

We move on to questions from Clare Adamson.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Karen Adam

If members are content that they have asked everything that they wish to ask, I will thank the witnesses once again for their participation this morning. It is essential to our work on this committee.

I close the public part of the meeting, and we will move into private to consider the remaining items on our agenda.

11:46 Meeting continued in private until 12:29.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you. We now move to questions from Marie McNair.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Karen Adam

I welcome our second panel this morning. We have Sally Mair, principal solicitor, Shelter Scotland; Hyo Eun Shin, senior policy officer, Citizens Advice Scotland; and Andy Sirel, partner and legal director, JustRight Scotland. You are all very welcome. We will move straight to questions and I will kick off. What are the biggest barriers to people accessing civil legal assistance?