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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

We welcome our second panel of witnesses. Professor Katie Boyle is chair of human rights law and social justice at the University of Strathclyde school of law, and Dr Ben Christman is legal director at the Environmental Rights Centre for Scotland. Thank you for attending today.

We will go straight into questions, and I will kick us off. Will you explain the accessible, affordable, timely and effective framework and the role that access to justice plays in supporting action on human rights breaches?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

Would the witnesses like to say anything that they have not said so far?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

Are members content that they have asked everything that they wished to ask?

Members: Yes.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you. That brings our first session to a close, and I suspend the meeting briefly while we change over witnesses.

10:35 Meeting suspended.  

10:43 On resuming—  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

When you come into Parliament as a new MSP, you are presented with emails from people asking to be elected as DPO, and you have to undertake scrutiny of those individuals to know and understand them a bit better, which will, in turn, inform your decision as to whom to vote for. That gives a bit of an insight as to why it might be best for those who know the individuals better to make that decision.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

Yes.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

On the point about induction and training, and the experience that members can bring to committees, I think that there is a part for political parties to play prior to members being elected and coming to the Scottish Parliament. That education should begin at the vetting stage and continue when candidates are in place. The understanding of how our democratic institution works is beneficial to all of society anyway, but it is important that people have that basic knowledge in the first place, before they get to Parliament.

Induction, training and on-going professional development are very helpful. Often, we look at a bill for a good few weeks and then we step in to do a bit of post-legislative scrutiny, so the hat that we wear changes, and we have to shift focus. On-going skills development is helpful for everybody on committees.

Emotional intelligence is also important, as is knowing how to recognise the effectiveness of respectful scrutiny—that is how we get the best from the witnesses. A rounded approach to training and induction, both pre-election and on-going when members are here, is important to ensure that we have the most effective committees.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

There would be limitations with smaller committees. There may be a smaller pool of diverse voices to hear from. An inquiry that was done at Westminster found that the most effective committees had between six and 12 members, because that gives the best diversity of views. The gender-sensitive audit that the Scottish Parliament did showed that it is equally important to take into consideration the need to have a broad range of views from women’s perspectives as well.

My concern would be that, with a smaller committee, we might be cancelling out voices that could have an input that would improve not only scrutiny overall but the outcomes for people. We need that proportional representation as much as possible, in every possible respect. I know that, in reality, that can be hard to achieve, but we should be reaching for that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

Yes, of course. I will take the party hat off.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

We already have the flexibility for committees to sit twice a week if they wish to. Previously, my committee has met in the evenings, and we have had away days and work programme planning days. The committees framework already allows us the flexibility to do that; it is for the conveners and committee members to discuss whether they would like to do it. They can already decide to set aside specific weekdays on which to scrutinise bills.