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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 December 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Rachael Hamilton

Yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Rachael Hamilton

I thank the minister for his intervention. I will make this brief—I have one last comment in winding up.

I go back to the Werritty review, which recommended that a licensing scheme be introduced specifically for grouse shooting. Now we find ourselves in a position whereby people are going to be liable for an area in which there are no red grouse. The law, as it stood before, was clear: it was about grouse moors. That is what Werritty intended.

I press amendment 35B.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Rachael Hamilton

You replied to my written question on the matter on 27 August. I had asked whether the Scottish Government had

“assessed how effective current legislation is regarding the management of seagulls in relation to any public health and safety concerns.”

It is a function that the Government gives to NatureScot to deliver, which is the reason why licences are issued. The reply that I received from your office said:

“The Scottish Government has not formally assessed how effective current legislation is regarding the management of gulls in relation to any public health and safety concerns.”—[Written Answers, 27 August 2025; S6W-29097.]

Douglas Ross and I lodged our amendments because, if the Government does not know how the management of gulls is being delivered through a health and safety lens, how can businesses or anyone else understand that, unless we make changes?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Rachael Hamilton

I have some sympathy for Beatrice Wishart’s amendment, because it would give land managers a little more latitude and flexibility. Currently, if NatureScot is denying those licences because they include a certain amount of peatland, it is not considering the other elements, such as the protection of woodland. I think that the minister is well aware of that situation, which is limiting and could cause more damage to biodiversity.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Rachael Hamilton

I am not hugely confident that we will get anywhere by my not pursuing my amendments to amendment 32. However, Mark Ruskell has said that he wishes to withdraw amendment 32. It is only fair to work collegiately on this matter, as we are all agreed about the trajectory that we are on. The sector needs a little bit more time.

I am the convener of the cross-party group on gardening and horticulture, and I would not be doing my job if I had not responded to amendment 32. I will not press my amendments to that amendment, but I put it on the record that I want the minister, Jim Fairlie, to commit to working with Mark Ruskell and me on the matter.

Amendment 32A, by agreement, withdrawn.

Amendments 32B to A32H not moved.

Amendment 32, by agreement, withdrawn.

Amendment 40 not moved.

Amendment 41 moved—[Mark Ruskell].

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Rachael Hamilton

On the basis of what the cabinet secretary said, I will not move it.

Amendments 254 and 255 not moved.

Amendment 333 moved—[Tim Eagle].

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Rachael Hamilton

The changes were also made by NatureScot to tackle raptor persecution. Those changes were made after the 2024 act. The act was robustly debated by this committee. We consulted stakeholders and received evidence; there was a robust debate. However, NatureScot went on to produce the licensing conditions and changed a number of them. I am concerned that the minister has stated that trust has to be built up, when the trust is there. There is zero evidence to suggest that, because a different land boundary has been drawn, licences have been revoked. Not one licence has been revoked. Following the changes that NatureScot made to the licensing conditions, perhaps the licences were refused because they changed the scope of the licence.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Rachael Hamilton

Northern Ireland has devolved powers. Why do you think that Northern Ireland has set a date without waiting for work to be done with the UK Government to resolve the internal market issues?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Rachael Hamilton

Amendment 35 is more stick than carrot, because it states that, if the landowner and the applicant disagree with NatureScot on the specification of the land, the licence is revoked. Therefore, there is no chance for the individual to potentially disagree, particularly where there are sporting rights that are shared among multiple individuals.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Rachael Hamilton

Minister, I am not sure whether you are speaking to Mark Ruskell’s amendment, because my amendments look to align with the rest of the UK through the UKIMA. I have read the responses to the 2023 consultation and, in a way, the minister has cherry-picked the parts of the consultation that he wanted to talk about.

To back up my amendments, many individuals and organisations in the horticultural sector were concerned, including 57 per cent of people who said they were very concerned about a peat ban. They raised issues such as increased costs, disruption to the supply chain, productivity issues and the unsuitability of a peat-free version of peat for specifics such as growing potatoes and so on. Although the minister is reassuring me that the process is on-going and that we have to wait for the UK to introduce its ban, what is the Government doing to speak specifically to expert horticultural voices?