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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 June 2025
Mairi Gougeon
Amendment 289 does not take account of the need for tenant farming businesses to be able to play their part in sustainable and regenerative agriculture.
On definitions, the member will no doubt be aware that we had similar discussions throughout the passage of the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Act 2024 act. That act required us to publish a code of practice, which we did last week. The code of practice provides guidance and examples, recognising that sustainable and regenerative agriculture is a collection of different practices. That is how we addressed the issue that the member raises. We did not look to define it in that legislation, which is why we are not looking to define it in this bill.
At present, a tenant’s landlord can object to a tenant’s diversification if it will substantially prejudice the use of the land being diversified for agricultural purposes in the future. Tenants need to be able to take a whole-farm approach to making the right decision for them. As the people who actively manage the land, they know more than anyone else what works and what needs to be done. The bill helps them to do that by reforming the grounds on which a landlord can object to proposed diversification, so that the objection must be that the diversified use would substantially prejudice the use of all the land in the lease for the purposes of sustainable and regenerative agriculture. Therefore, the amendment would simply mean that we maintain the status quo and that tenant farmers would not have the same ability to take part in or benefit from our future support framework. It is a backward step that should be resisted. I ask the committee not to support the amendment.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 June 2025
Mairi Gougeon
I have concluded my remarks, but I am happy to take a point from Mark Ruskell.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 June 2025
Mairi Gougeon
Thank you, convener. I hope that I will be able to address some of the points that have been raised in relation to the amendments in this group.
Tim Eagle’s amendments 290 to 296 are intended to shift costs from the landlord to the tenant, so the tenant would not then be able to claim compensation for damage that had been caused by poor game management. Ultimately, that is unfair. The tenant farming commissioner has already published a code of practice on the management of relationships between agricultural tenants and holders of sporting rights. There is already a lot of help and guidance for landowners, and I touched on that last week when we were discussing similar issues. We know that poor practice persists, as we have been hearing from stakeholders. That is why the changes in the bill have been introduced, and they are important.
The tenant would not be able to claim compensation for indirect damage under the amendments, and that is unfair. Tenants could claim for damage to the crop, but not for further real costs that they have incurred. The tenant would not be able to claim compensation for damage to fixed equipment and habitats, as we have also touched on. That is unfair. Fixed equipment includes many things that many of us would recognise as the fixtures and fittings of the holding, including dry-stone dykes and fencing.
Habitats include the natural areas of the farm that the tenant is paid to maintain, and they would have to pay to restore them if there is damage to them by game. In addition, if the amendments were passed, the tenant would not be able to claim compensation for damage to shelterbelts. A shelterbelt is part of the infrastructure of a holding and it directly supports the running of the farm, whether it acts as a windbreak or shelters livestock.
That all comes back to the point that any claim that is put forward has to be evidenced. The damage has to have led to loss or to injury. Those are real costs that tenants suffer, for reasons that are completely outwith their control. That is why I think that it is only fair that they are compensated for all those matters, and that is what the bill seeks to do.
I can see that you are looking at me, convener, as if you wish to make an intervention.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 June 2025
Mairi Gougeon
My amendments 297 and 301 reverse a language change made by the bill. I recognise that concerns were raised about replacing the word “similar” with the word “comparable”. That change was supported by tenant farming stakeholders and was recommended by the Agricultural Law Association.
My amendments 298 and 302 amend the bill provisions to list the matters that should not be taken into account by the Land Court when fixing the rent for a holding. Again, stakeholders have asked for that, as they consider that the equivalent provision in section 13 of the 1991 act, as now in force, is well understood by the sector.
My amendments 299 and 303 amend the 1991 act and the 2003 act by listing elements that the Land Court must have regard to when determining a fair rent for a holding. The amendments make specific provision about the improvements that must be taken into account as part of a rent review and matters to be taken into account when rental value is reduced. Those changes are supported by stakeholders, who consider that they are necessary elements that will enable the court to determine a fair rent for the holding. The amendments take account of the list of matters in section 13 of the 1991 act that require to be taken into account when calculating rent.
My amendments 300 and 304 update a cross-reference in the respective powers of the Scottish ministers to make further provision and regulations in relation to matters that the Land Court is to consider. Failure to make that change would result in a misalignment of the process.
Douglas Lumsden’s amendments 299A and 299B would alter the wording of my amendment 299 to make it use the exact wording from section 13 of the 1991 act. I do not think that they would deliver the outcome that Douglas Lumsden is looking for, but I am happy to give the matter further consideration ahead of stage 3, if he is willing to have that discussion with me.
Douglas Lumsden’s amendment 545 proposes to further amend the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991 to precisely mirror the wording of section 13 of that act. That would mean that the Land Court would be required, when determining a fair rent for a 1991 act agricultural tenancy, to have regard to the open market rental value of any fixed equipment provided by the landlord and used by the tenant for a non-agricultural purpose. The amendment raises some interesting points, and I hope that I can continue the discussion with Douglas Lumsden in advance of stage 3.
Emma Harper’s amendments 536 and 538 seek to amend the list of matters that the Land Court must not have regard to when determining the fair rent of a holding for 1991 act tenancies and 2003 act tenancies, by adding the term
“tenant being in occupation of the holding”
to that list. I ask the committee to support those amendments, because it is important that tenants are not financially penalised because of the very fact that they have a tenancy.
Amendments 537 and 539, in Emma Harper’s name, would require the Land Court to provide to both parties a list of comparable holdings that it had considered when determining the rent for a holding for 1991 act tenancies and 2003 act tenancies. However, I do not think that the amendments would deliver the intended outcome. This is part of an issue that appears to be handled differently north and south of the border. I would like to explore the issue further with Emma Harper prior to stage 3, so I ask her not to move the amendments at this time.
Emma Harper’s amendments 520 and 521 seek to take away the right of a landlord or tenant to refer a legal question about rent reviews to the Scottish Land Court and propose that arbitration be used instead. I completely appreciate the intent behind those amendments, but more development work is needed, including making sure that necessary rights of appeal are in place for ECHR purposes. Again, I would like to explore the issue further with industry so that we can get it right. For those reasons, I ask Emma Harper not to move those amendments.
Finally, Tim Eagle’s amendment 541 would enable the landlord to require an increase in rent if an improvement was required to be made in order for the landlord to comply with the duty conferred on them by any enactment. I understand the issues that tenants and landlords face when there is an increased regulatory burden that results in an increased financial burden, but I think that the amendment goes too far. A landlord who has breached a duty or is at risk of doing so should not simply be able to pass on the compliance costs to the tenant. Indeed, the breach of duty might mean that the landlord is also in breach of the lease agreement. That would be an issue for future legislation whereby we could scrutinise it appropriately. I ask the committee not to support amendment 541.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 June 2025
Mairi Gougeon
I press the amendment.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 June 2025
Mairi Gougeon
I realise that we debated the amendments relating to the pre-emptive right-to-buy process for small landholders as well as 1991 act tenant farmers, including amendment 225, last week. It is, of course, amendment 225 that Tim Eagle is seeking to amend through his amendments.
In relation to amendment 225A, it is standard practice that such notices are in writing. That is also reflected by the requirement on the tenant to send a copy of the notice to the keeper, so I do not think that it is necessary to amend section 10 in that way. However, I am more than happy to have a conversation with Tim Eagle in relation to that, and to bottom out any concerns that might persist.
Tim Eagle’s amendments 225B and 225C seek to amend the regulation-making power included in amendment 225, which empowers a tenant to exercise their right to buy when their landlord takes certain steps with a view to transferring land and fails to notify the tenant. The amendment enables the Scottish ministers to make regulations for the timescales in which a tenant will be required to notify their landlord that they intend to exercise that right.
On amendment 225B, while it is the Scottish Government’s intention to engage with stakeholders and to make regulations, it would not be appropriate to amend the power in the way suggested, given that whether regulations are made is ultimately a decision for the Scottish Parliament, in line with the affirmative procedure.
Amendment 225C also seeks to restrict the scope of the power under amendment 225 in a way that would limit its effectiveness and ministers’ ability to make the intended changes. The ability of the regulations to modify section 29 of the 2003 act when providing for a period within which notice is to be given provides flexibility in the drafting approach, including for making any necessary consequential changes.
I cannot support amendment 543, for the reasons that I set out last week in relation to Tim Eagle’s amendment 226. Amendment 543 likewise seeks to limit the powers in the bill for the Scottish ministers to make regulations for how 1991 act tenant farmers can register their interest in acquiring the land comprised in their lease.
I ask the committee not to support the amendments in this group.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 June 2025
Mairi Gougeon
Again, because it is the approach that was agreed previously. I realise that there has been a lot of discussion about it over the past few years, but because the model was previously agreed, we intend to maintain it.
I appreciate that there is a debate and discussion about the general approach that has been taken. I have listened carefully to members’ views, including those of Fergus Ewing in relation to his amendments, which offer an alternative valuation methodology.
Tim Eagle’s amendment 240 proposes to decrease the amount of time between the landlord serving a notice of resumption to a tenant and the date of that resumption, which would interfere with the valuation process following the serving of a notice of resumption. Given the range of factors at play in a valuation, that would unnecessarily restrict the timing of that part of the process.
I am grateful to Fergus Ewing and others for raising these issues in their amendments, but I have not heard anything to convince me that we need a different approach to the valuation of 1991 act claims. The bill already provides for an affirmative power that enables the Scottish ministers to revise the valuation method for resumptions for 1991 act tenancies, so I am committed to proceeding with the measures that we have set out in that regard.
However, I agree that we need to explore whether a different approach would be better for 2003 act tenancies. It is important that we do everything that we can to reach a consensus about how to value that type of claim. It is also important that we do not kick the issue into the long grass. Accordingly, I reiterate the offer that I made last week in relation to working with Fergus Ewing and other members of the committee and having discussions to enable us to lodge an amendment at stage 3 that would give ministers an appropriate regulation-making power for 2003 act tenancies.
I also intend to lodge a similar amendment at stage 3 to address the points that Rhoda Grant will no doubt speak to in relation to her amendment 382, so that we can deal with concerns about ensuring fair compensation for a tenant who receives an incontestable notice to quit from their landlord. Of course, that is different from resumption, but the concerns were raised as part of this debate.
To conclude, I ask members not to support the amendments from Fergus Ewing, Tim Eagle and Rhoda Grant.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 June 2025
Mairi Gougeon
I hope that I will be able to shed light—
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 June 2025
Mairi Gougeon
In relation to the control of deer, those matters are being dealt with and considered through the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill; that is where matters in relation to control are considered. Here, we are dealing with the impact on the tenant. Ultimately, we are trying to ensure that there is fair compensation to the tenant for damage that comes about through no fault of theirs.
Emma Harper’s amendment 524 reverses a change made by the bill to clarify the law. I do not believe that the amendment is necessary. A tenant who has a right to kill and take game does not require permission from the landlord to do so. They do not need to have a right and permission, which is the effect of the amendment.
Amendments 518 and 519 seek to take away the right of a landlord or tenant to refer a question about compensation to the Scottish Land Court. Instead, there would be compulsory arbitration, which is unusual. It would be left to ministers to make that work, if they could, through secondary legislation. I appreciate the reasons why those amendments have been introduced. I agree that it would be helpful to consider, over the longer term, how alternative dispute resolution processes such as arbitration might help the tenant farming sector. However, we need to be able to explore those issues further in discussions with our wider stakeholders.
I mentioned last week that we would look to consult on the powers of the tenant farming commissioner. We will look to add to that the theme of alternative dispute resolution, so that we can tease the matter out more thoroughly.
I ask the member not to press her amendments.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 24 June 2025
Mairi Gougeon
I absolutely appreciate that. The reason why we are discussing these issues is because they are not necessarily easy to resolve. Some of them have been under discussion for quite some time. However, notwithstanding the issues that relate to amendment 542, I am keen to commit to having wider discussion, engagement and consultation, because there are issues in relation to Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010, some parts of which have not been commenced. Ultimately, we want to ensure that we get this right for everybody involved in the process, which is why wider engagement and consultation are so important.