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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

For the record, what is your understanding of the reasons for the departure of the chair of the board of management or the principal and chief executive, for example? Were those reasons related to issues that are raised in the report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

I am sorry—it was February 2023.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

I turn to Colin Beattie, who has some questions to put to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

I invite Graham Simpson to continue the line of questioning.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Paragraph 30 of the section 22 report makes the point that the external consultant appeared to be “managing the project director”. You would expect it to be the other way round and that the project director at the college would manage and direct the consultant. That is quite extraordinary, is it not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

There are big questions about transparency, and why there are so many big questions about it is what underlies the committee’s concern.

At the end of the report, you take us into the terrain of accounts directions from the Scottish Funding Council on something that the committee has previously taken evidence on—the job evaluation process for non-teaching grades, although I think that you mentioned middle management as well as other jobs in the college sector. The committee’s question is why that is included in the report.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

The job evaluation exercise has not yet been concluded so, although I recognise what you say about the technical issues around accounting and how the accounts of Forth Valley College—and of individual colleges across the sector, I presume—are produced, we are still waiting for the outcome of the exercise and what that means in financial terms, albeit that I think that the Scottish Government has given an undertaking that it will fund any additional costs that arise from the process.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. You have undertaken to supply further information for the committee’s due consideration, so we look forward to receiving what you are able to release to us—that will be helpful. The committee will need to consider our next steps. There are some unanswered questions that even you have not been able to answer, so we will need to consider how best we can address them. For the time being, Auditor General, I thank you for leading the evidence giving this morning. I also thank Mark MacPherson, Derek Hoy and Michael Speight for their contributions.

11:09 Meeting continued in private until 11:49.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

That was in April 2023, I think.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

I think that the creation of a private company in which the project director became a director and shareholder dates to April 2023.