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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

Can I make a point of order, convener?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

As I understand it, the SCQF Partnership is not part of the public body landscape as it is a separate charity. Does that make a difference to legislation concerning it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

I do not speak for the Government. [Laughter.]

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

Pam Duncan-Glancy referred to various recommendations, including by the OECD, but one of the OECD’s comments was that there is already a cluttered landscape. She probably knows exactly what I will say, but I will say it anyway: there is a huge number of public bodies in Scotland compared with other places. We are a relatively small country and we should be able to do things more simply. Every time we create another body, it inevitably takes resources away from the front line. Does she not accept that the last thing that we need in this space—as in other spaces—is yet another public body?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

I accept that amendment 290 is not Miles Briggs’s amendment, but does the fact that Education Scotland is, in effect, part of the Scottish Government not make a bit of a difference here, because the Government is responsible for everything, is it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

Surely the argument that something has been done for 150 years is hardly an argument when we are trying to revamp the Scottish education system to keep it going. Would the cabinet secretary not accept, based on what Mr Greer has said, that the process is not independent? The Crown is only doing things that the ministers recommend.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

It strikes me that, listening to Willie Rennie’s intervention—I obviously cannot intervene on him at the moment—part of the answer to that is surely related to the fact that the inspector could come before the education committee. Through the committee’s questioning, challenging and whatever, the inspector would have the opportunity to demonstrate their independence just by their attitude at the committee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

I take the member’s point that we would like to think that committees are listened to outside these four walls. However, would putting that requirement in the bill—we have oodles of other legislation that does not have such a requirement—not create an imbalance or a danger that we are specifically saying that, in this case, a body should listen to the committee and that, in the case of every other piece of legislation, a body should not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

Some of what you are saying seems to repeat what we have heard before: that is, that the culture of the SQA has been seriously flawed. We are all agreed on that point. As I have done before, I question whether that is about the structure or about making sure that the right people are in place.

My second point follows on from my previous intervention about setting up a new body, which would also require premises, staff, costs and so on. I would hope that Mr Ross would be in favour of simplifying the public sector landscape and cutting the number of civil servants, but this amendment seems to go in the opposite direction.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

John Mason

I take Ross Greer’s point, but I go to many meetings—as, I am sure, he does—at which some groups are quite passive and just follow the lead, while others are more active. Is he really convinced that forcing the board to have a vote will suddenly switch it from being passive to being active?