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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

I guess that there has been a disconnect between the expectation of what the engagement would look like in reality and what the unions took it to be. I contend that, when there have been developments in the process, we have engaged directly with the trade unions.

I also make the distinction between that engagement and the direct engagement that I have had with the staff. I have gone in front of the staff, updated them on where we are and answered any and all questions that they have had as openly as I can. It is a combination of things.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

This Government is absolutely committed to enhancing the apprenticeship offering in all its guises, whether it be, for example, modern apprenticeships or graduate apprenticeships. There is an absolute commitment. The apprenticeship offering is critical to the needs of the economy, and we are in the business of improving it.

As for your initial point, Mr Rennie, I would just caution that we should await the Pamela Gillies report on Dundee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

ONS classification pertains to universities.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

We do not know the exact quantum, but it will be in excess of 100 people.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

Instead of apprenticeships being, as Andrew Mott has said, an add-on to the organisation, they will become a critical part of the SFC’s activities. The Government’s view is that there needs to be a growth in apprenticeships, both numerically and in quality.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

In that sense, it will—I cannot disagree with you on that. However—and I do not think that we can make this any clearer, convener—the new organisation will, in every respect, put a huge emphasis on apprenticeship delivery.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

If anything, we want to enhance business involvement across the gamut. You talked about careers. We need greater business input into the careers offering—that is a challenge to them. Skills planning has been enhanced—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

I do not accept that at all. In this instance, the work that has been done on skills planning would see the existing functions still sitting within those two organisations, with the Government taking an overarching lead. I do not think that anything would be pulled out. The careers service is about much more than SDS.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

All the component parts of the careers services collaborative need to do their bit. At the moment, there is a bit of a conflation that suggests that this is all about careers advisers in schools—far from it. All the work will come together with an overarching vision for the post-16 landscape. I do not accept that placing the responsibility for apprenticeships elsewhere would create the difficulty that you are suggesting.

The SFC already engages considerably and in a variety of ways with business. I fully accept the member’s point, but, since day 1 of the process, the team and I have been engaging directly with business. An employer group has been set up, which met a couple of weeks ago. In the first instance, it will look at apprenticeships, but its remit has been broadened beyond that. An apprenticeship committee will be provided for within the SFC, which will have a broader remit than the existing SDS committee, the SAAB.

Extensive work is being done. This is about making the offering better than it is currently. In the context of employer engagement and the SFC’s committee, some of the evidence that the committee has taken from various stakeholders on how we could expand that has been quite useful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

I suspect that SDS has looked—