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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

The only reason that I mention poverty is that I was interested in the finance secretary setting out what I thought was a significant change in policy in the draft budget statement. The resources that would have been used to alleviate the effects of the two-child cap are now partly being diverted to colleges. That seems to be a major change in Government policy but it has hardly been mentioned this morning. Was that just a wheeze to get money into colleges because you know that that is essential, or is it a deep-rooted change because you see colleges as a route out of poverty? What is it? I am slightly concerned about the lack of emphasis this morning on such a significant change in mission.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

I was at the Educational Institute of Scotland Further Education Lecturers Association event last week. The members were pleased with the additional money, but there was no jubilation because they do not know whether it is a long-term change in policy that will result in a significant uplift over a number of years, or is just the one hit before the election. There is therefore a hesitancy in the sector.

I know that the cabinet secretary and the minister cannot give us a commitment about future years’ budgets when they might not even be in power, but is that an indication that more is to come, or will it just be the one hit? What assurance can you give that you believe that there should be a longer-term change?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

I am sure that SRUC raised with you the issue of its capital allocation for maintenance and how that compares with the allocation for other colleges. I know that SRUC is a hybrid organisation, but it has 7,000 or so students, on part-time, full-time and short courses, and got £173,000 this year. West College Scotland got £4 million, and other colleges of a similar size get significantly higher levels of support. Are you looking at that? SRUC has a large estate. In Cupar, it has the Elmwood campus, which is now boarded up, in part because SRUC cannot afford to maintain it. Will there be a change in the capital allocation for SRUC?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

You are kidding us. You have had five years to get this done, and you are not going to get it done in the next five weeks, are you? Why are you kidding us? Why are you continuing to pretend that this will happen?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

You have had five years to plan it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

Sorry to interrupt you, but why did you not undertake pilots five years ago? Why, only a few weeks before the election, are we looking at pilots?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

Your colleagues were.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

It is what you have said.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

The statement that I would like to hear would be that you have delivered your promised commitment. Will that happen before the election?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

It feels as if we have been gathering evidence for decades—indeed, for ever. When are we actually going to get a conclusion? I know that the minister has said that there will be a publication in the spring, but that is not necessarily a conclusion.

At the root of this is the fact that when we originally moved to the 1,140 hours, which I welcomed, we said that council nurseries could have national terms and conditions, and we said that we would move private nurseries up, too, which was good—but it was only up to the real living wage. That baked in a difference between the two sectors, and it created enormous pressure. We are seeing nurseries’ capacity being reduced and nurseries closing, including in my part of the world, partly because of this and partly because there is no support to allow them to hold on to experienced personnel. They can get new people through the door, but they cannot hold on to them, because they will obviously get paid much more in a council nursery.

The situation is inherently unstable. Unless you address the difference between national terms and conditions and the real living wage, the problem will continue, no matter how many reviews you do. Are you looking at creating some kind of parity? I do not expect the gap to be closed overnight—after all, it has taken decades even to do the survey—but surely you have to recognise that that is where the fundamental problem is, and it was the Government that agreed to it on day 1.