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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Colin Beattie

I think that you would agree that it is important for us to have absolute clarity on the figures that we are looking at. Exhibit 1, on page 8 of the Auditor General’s report, refers to “Domestic transport”. When I read that, I immediately leapt to the conclusion that it meant cars. Of course, it does not—it refers to the territorial area of Scotland being domestic as opposed to international, although some of the categories listed in that chart are also domestic.

It was not until we queried that and got a breakdown that we found out that, while cars are, in fact, still a significant proportion of it, there are also trucks, buses and railways, and goodness knows what else. That could be clearer, because I think that a lot of people would jump, as I did, to thinking that domestic transport means just cars, when it clearly does not.

That is not a question—it is just an observation to think about.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Colin Beattie

The Auditor General’s report identifies a number of shortfalls in the active travel grant funding. What lessons have been learned from that about how to handle that issue, and what measures are in place to identify those issues?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Colin Beattie

Okay. We will rely on your assurance that you are improving things.

Cabinet secretary, you mentioned the problems with one-year funding for active travel and public transport schemes. How are you planning to address the challenge of providing reassurance to partners who are working with you on what are long-term, multiyear projects? Given the one-year funding model, how can you reassure them that those projects are secure?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Colin Beattie

To pick up on what you say about the data, one of the recurring themes in evidence to the committee in the past has been that the data is not always consistent. It is not always produced by councils in the same way, and so compatibility becomes a problem and you do not get the results that you want. Are you satisfied that there will be consistency in the data?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Colin Beattie

Coming back to the Auditor General, surely, when the audit was taking place, questions would have been asked and someone would have been able to answer them. There is no evidence of that in the report.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Colin Beattie

The Auditor General does not refer to any potential fraud or irregularities. However, I would have thought that, if he had been aware that there was some documentation to back up what was said about the spending, he would not have been quite so stark in what he said.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Colin Beattie

The only thing that I would say in response to that is that the Auditor General’s report says, at paragraph 56:

“Transport Scotland did not check any documentary evidence that the £82.5 million had been spent on projects before authorising payments.”

That does not support your statement that there was documentation. Obviously, the Auditor General did not see that documentation.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Colin Beattie

Cabinet secretary, can I start with a wee moan?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Colin Beattie

Looking at the Auditor General’s report, there appears to be a shortage of data on outcomes from some of the investments that are being made. How do you manage to inform the budget when the outcomes from what has already been spent are not clear?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Colin Beattie

Yes, of course.