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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 31 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

What does it tell you about the culture in the civil service that people are saying that it is an infringement of their human rights to ask them to go to work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

Okay, but I think that the public will get a sense that, in a period when there has been wage constraint in the private sector, we have seen, particularly post-Covid, an increase in the pay gap between those working in the public and private sectors, which has grown to £2,000. The average full-time public sector worker in Scotland now earns £2,000 more than a worker in the private sector. The gap has grown from £400 to £2,000, so there has been a significant increase.

There is a sense that we have never had so many civil servants and they have never had it so good. I just looked on the Scottish Government’s website at the pay and benefits of being in the civil service. Salaries go from £25,000 at A3 up to £87,000 at C3. There is a 35-hour working week. There are 42 days of holidays after four years. There is a very generous pension scheme, with employers’ contributions starting at 28 per cent. There will potentially be a swimming pool at Victoria Quay. There is a compressed working week and an informal policy of working from home. It looks a rather attractive prospect. Where do you think efficiencies need to be made in relation to the form, function and operation of the civil service? It appears to be a pretty good deal.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

Last year, you reduced the working week to 35 hours. What practices and mechanisms do you have in place to monitor compliance with that working week for those who are working from home?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

Finally, the Government has placed great store by its invest to save fund, to try to deliver efficiencies across Government. We note, from the answer to an FOI request on 12 May, that only 26 public sector organisations have submitted applications. Seven of those were submitted by local authorities and only 19 were from national public sector bodies. What does the fact that so few have come forward with proposals to make savings in their departments tell you about the appetite for public sector reform and efficiency?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

From memory, I think that it accounts for about a third of the increase, but there is still a very significant number beyond that. The Scottish Government has said that the contingent workforce is one area where it has made significant progress. How would you characterise the Scottish Government’s efforts in that respect?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

I understand that you want the civil service to be an attractive place to work, but it should also be a realistic place to work, and it should be a fair place to work, because taxpayers’ money is funding it. Many people working in the private sector will be looking at this and thinking that it is not fair or sustainable.

Let us look at the issue of hybrid working. Your website says:

“As part of our current Hybrid Working Policy, staff members in roles which are suitable for hybrid working may have the opportunity to informally deliver work from home”.

What is the Scottish Government’s formal policy on working from home?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

When, before his departure, your predecessor appeared before us, he said that he thought that the growing gap between what we receive in Barnett consequentials for social security—which I know is dynamic and goes up and down at different points in time—and what we spend is “material ... but manageable”. Is that your view currently?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

Are you saying that, if somebody refused to come to work, disciplinary action would be taken against them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

Mr Griffin, that is about headcount. We have also found that there has been a significant increase in the number of top-grade civil servants—500 in the past three years. It is easy to say that your headcount is falling, but the wage bill is rising and the number of senior civil servants is rising significantly. For what reason is that number still rising?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

Do you have any data on the number of disciplinary cases that have been brought against civil servants who have not complied with the working week or have not responded to an informal arrangement with their line managers?